thanks for the help tamara. someone else answered and told me the
opposite because the bobbins are so light. i think they can be used
without them, but they will be too light. if the thread strand weighs
more than the bobbin, they might pull all over the pillow, so if i want
them to work
i don't have any now, but they would be easy to make. i'll make one of
the book marks from the barbara underwood's book i have and scan it to
community webshots. i can never find any of the photos from the
webshot urls they give here in lace or lace chat. they never work, but
i'll use my name