Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-29 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, Yes, it seems to me that the civil statute is designed to enable suits to be brought against a person who causes damage to a fetus that is subsequently born with defects that affect the quality of that person's life. For example, if som

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-29 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, Again, I think one has to read the word "child" in its full context. A fetus is considered a child conceived but not yet born is considered a person ONLY for the purpose of protecting the child's interest in the event of the subsequent

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-29 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, Yes, it seems to me that the civil statute is designed to enable suits to be brought against a person who causes damage to a fetus that is subsequently born with defects that affect the quality of that person's life. For example, if som

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-29 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, Again, I think one has to read the word "child" in its full context. A fetus is considered a child conceived but not yet born is considered a person ONLY for the purpose of protecting the child's interest in the event of the subsequent

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-28 Thread hallinan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hi Terry - yes. Yes. In attenuated fashion I just posted related >thoughts to Bill; I hope you get a chance to see it, it should arrive >just a minute before this post. But I think you have said *mo

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Kathy E
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Linda :) >From looking at this, in reality the child is not considered a person unless it's born. I would assume alive. Thus if it's injured during a beating of the mother and born DOA I would think there is nothing they could do about it, unless they can

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry - yes. Yes. In attenuated fashion I just posted related thoughts to Bill; I hope you get a chance to see it, it should arrive just a minute before this post. But I think you have said *more*, and this would be quite impor

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oh I see Bill, I can buy that, you're quite clear. It's like in the Civil Code the rights vest at conception but they don't accrue til birth (is that a valid extrapolation of your position? Hope you'll comment). Something like tha

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: You have it exactly the way that I see it. And the thing I can't understand is how can they say in the civil law that the fetus is a child, and then the Supreme Court say it isn't. Can't have it both ways, IMO. Either it is, or it isn't.

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread hallinan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems rather clear to me, Linda. The most extreme case is when a fetus is killed which is not covered by 43.1. That has been found to be murder when it is done without the mother's consent. But if a fetus is to be "deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for t

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, I still think that the way the statute reads the fetus must be "subsequently born" before he/she can have legal standing with respect to any rights. Yes, the large interest in the mother's protection and survival is paramount with respe

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: H Bill - I am having a bit of trouble finding Susan's post of the civil statute. Here are two relevant paragraphs I had clipped out, suggesting that an unborn offspring is a child and thus a person, with life and liberty rights. T

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Linda, It seems to be a type of Catch 22 situation. I have heard of cases (wish I could remember the reference names) where the state has waited until the birth of a baby to determine if damage had been done to the fetus when the mother was as

Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated]

1998-03-27 Thread Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D.
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Bill - agreed, in the civil case the fetus would simply have prospective standing, it seems: future access to relief, once being born But the criminal code wouldn't even give *that* much. Based on argments from "majority" supp