Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Vincent Snijders
Op 2 maart 2012 00:04 heeft Frank Church het volgende geschreven: > Googling brought up this link - > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Custom_Search_Engine > > Who is the webmaster of the wiki and can this be forwarded to him? I was, but I want to stop doing it. Vincent -- ___

Re: [Lazarus] Access violation in build_lcl_docs --outfmt chm

2012-03-01 Thread Thomas Moritz
Am Donnerstag, 1. März 2012, 19:51:17 schrieb Mattias Gaertner: Hello Mattias, > > this is the output: > > > > HTML Files written. Collecting other files and > > compressing...this could take some time Generating Table of > > contents... > > Generating Index... > > Finishing compressing... > >

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Juha Manninen schrieb: DoDi and others!!! Please don't hijack this thread for whining about documentation and docking and whatnot! You can do that in another thread if you must. Besides, you are supposed to improve the documents, not whine all the time like a baby. I don't know what is wrong w

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Marc Santhoff
Be warned, below there will follow a lot of personal opinions. ;) Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2012, 01:45 +0200 schrieb Juha Manninen: > 2012/2/29 Marco van de Voort > Usually they are driven by a foundation and/or core team. Much > like FPC > nowadays, with occasional allian

Re: [Lazarus] Contribute to a book instead of wiki?

2012-03-01 Thread leledumbo
The book seems to be written with OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice, that would be difficult to track changes. -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/Lazarus-Contribute-to-a-book-instead-of-wiki-tp3789922p3792385.html Sent from the Free Pascal - Lazarus mailin

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Everton Vieira
Em 01/03/2012, às 21:14, Juha Manninen escreveu: > 2012/3/1 Everton Vieira > That`s true. To get the "softer landing" improving the doc (and i think the > ways of it) would be enough. The project management is more about to lead the > people to achieve common goals. I don`t know how you people

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Juha Manninen
2012/3/1 Everton Vieira > That`s true. To get the "softer landing" improving the doc (and i think > the ways of it) would be enough. The project management is more about to > lead the people to achieve *common* goals. I don`t know how you people > from the core lives with so few contributors. The

Re: [Lazarus] Access violation in build_lcl_docs --outfmt chm

2012-03-01 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:15:39 -0500 Andrew Haines wrote: > On 03/01/12 13:51, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > > On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:31:47 +0100 > > Thomas Moritz wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> this is the output: > >> > >> HTML Files written. Collecting other files and compressing...this could >

Re: [Lazarus] Access violation in build_lcl_docs --outfmt chm

2012-03-01 Thread Andrew Haines
On 03/01/12 13:51, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:31:47 +0100 > Thomas Moritz wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> this is the output: >> >> HTML Files written. Collecting other files and compressing...this could take >> some time >> Generating Table of contents... >> Generating Index... >

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Frank Church
On 01/03/2012, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys > wrote: >> In that case, could we ask the wiki maintainers to please disable the >> wiki Search and Index functions, and rather embed a Google Search in >> it's place. > > Yes, that would be a

[Lazarus] Lazaras IDE toolbar issue when restoring after running a project

2012-03-01 Thread Richard Mace
Hi All, I've noticed that the Lazarus IDE toolbar does not restore itself correctly after I run a project, and I have to keep maximising it. Is this a known issue, or is there a setting that I need to set? Thanks in advance Richad Mace -- ___ Lazarus ma

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Everton Vieira
Em 29/02/2012, às 20:45, Juha Manninen escreveu: > 2012/2/29 Marco van de Voort > Usually they are driven by a foundation and/or core team. Much like FPC > nowadays, with occasional alliances with commercial parties that sponsor a > certain development. > > There are not many alternative routes

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Martin
On 01/03/2012 19:16, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Martin schrieb: It does still cost time to write up all the info, and guarantees nothing. While if someone wants to do work on something, there are much better chances that the work (providing infos/answers) will bear fruits. This finally exp

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 01.03.2012 09:16, schrieb Martin Schreiber: > Don't believe such statements, it is not true. My experience of > 15 years of OSS development as well. Valueable ontributors find their way to fix things, write docs etc. The people complaining about bad tools, bad docs, bad whatever, will never be

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Martin schrieb: It does still cost time to write up all the info, and guarantees nothing. While if someone wants to do work on something, there are much better chances that the work (providing infos/answers) will bear fruits. This finally explains the often confuse and inconsistent implemen

Re: [Lazarus] Access violation in build_lcl_docs --outfmt chm

2012-03-01 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:31:47 +0100 Thomas Moritz wrote: > Hello, > > this is the output: > > HTML Files written. Collecting other files and compressing...this could take > some time > Generating Table of contents... > Generating Index... > Finishing compressing... > Exception at 004FFF

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Martin
On 01/03/2012 14:54, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Martin schrieb: On 01/03/2012 00:35, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Juha Manninen schrieb: So, what does the management mean in practice? Should Lazarus be managed differently from how it is managed now? IMO it's not so much a matter of manageme

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Rich Saunders
On 3/1/12 8:58 AM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Rich Saunders schrieb: >> On 2/29/12 7:35 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: >>> Juha Manninen schrieb: So, what does the management mean in practice? Should Lazarus be managed differently from how it is managed now? >>> IMO it's not so much a

[Lazarus] Access violation in build_lcl_docs --outfmt chm

2012-03-01 Thread Thomas Moritz
Hello, this is the output: HTML Files written. Collecting other files and compressing...this could take some time Generating Table of contents... Generating Index... Finishing compressing... Exception at 004FFF6F: EAccessViolation: Access violation. 'lcl.chm' has 0 Byte openSUSE 12.1 x

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread João Marcelo Vaz
2012/2/29, Juha Manninen : > I was hoping something more concrete and detailed, like ideas for helping > new potential contributors to get a softer landing. That was the original > idea of this thread. Well, it's not so concrete, but this book might help clarify some topics on the Lazarus managem

Re: [Lazarus] Contribute to a book instead of wiki?

2012-03-01 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 1-3-2012 16:54, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Reinier Olislagers schrieb: > >>> Essentially the same problem: where to search for existing >>> documentation? >> I don't really see your problem. >> >> What do you mean with "existing documentation"? Link/refer from the book >> to the wiki and vic

Re: [Lazarus] Contribute to a book instead of wiki?

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Reinier Olislagers schrieb: Essentially the same problem: where to search for existing documentation? I don't really see your problem. What do you mean with "existing documentation"? Link/refer from the book to the wiki and vice versa. Okay, so far, but how many documentation sources will be

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2012, 14:15 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich: > Marc Santhoff schrieb: > > Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2012, 01:22 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich: > >> Marc Santhoff schrieb: > >> > >>> A complete index, yes. To the right on > >>> > >>> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.o

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2012, 14:28 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich: > Vincent Snijders schrieb: > > Op 1 maart 2012 08:12 heeft Graeme Geldenhuys > > het volgende geschreven: > >> On 1 March 2012 02:22, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > >>> The results are very strange. Entering "documentation"

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Vincent Snijders
Op 1 maart 2012 14:28 heeft Hans-Peter Diettrich het volgende geschreven: > Vincent Snijders schrieb: > >> Op 1 maart 2012 08:12 heeft Graeme Geldenhuys >> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> On 1 March 2012 02:22, Hans-Peter Diettrich  wrote: The results are very strange. Entering "docume

Re: [Lazarus] Contribute to a book instead of wiki?

2012-03-01 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 1-3-2012 12:05, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Reinier Olislagers schrieb: >> Hi list, >> >> Noticed some people said they don't want to contribute to the Lazarus >> wiki for various reasons. >> >> If those people want to contribute their knowledge and help others with >> it, there are alternativ

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Schnell schrieb: On 03/01/2012 09:45 AM, Marco van de Voort wrote: Don't blame the tools, don't blame core, don't blame the weather, just start. Sorry, I tried to keep my moth shut, but I can't. If we want contributors who help enhancing the documentation, we are addressing quite nor

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Martin Schreiber schrieb: I experience the same from time to time in MSEide+MSEgui project. People complain missing documentation and write if there were good documentation tools (which actually means if I would make them) they and other users would write documentation. Tools are not a repla

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Martin schrieb: On 01/03/2012 00:35, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Juha Manninen schrieb: So, what does the management mean in practice? Should Lazarus be managed differently from how it is managed now? IMO it's not so much a matter of management, but of mind shift. The developers should shar

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Rich Saunders schrieb: On 2/29/12 7:35 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Juha Manninen schrieb: So, what does the management mean in practice? Should Lazarus be managed differently from how it is managed now? IMO it's not so much a matter of management, but of mind shift. The developers should s

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marc Santhoff schrieb: Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2012, 01:22 +0100 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich: Marc Santhoff schrieb: A complete index, yes. To the right on http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/ under the headline "Navigation" there is a link to it. The results are very strange. Entering "d

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Vincent Snijders schrieb: Op 1 maart 2012 08:12 heeft Graeme Geldenhuys het volgende geschreven: On 1 March 2012 02:22, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: The results are very strange. Entering "documentation" finds almost all pages, because these have this keyword in the headline and navigation men

Re: [Lazarus] Contribute to a book instead of wiki?

2012-03-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Reinier Olislagers schrieb: Hi list, Noticed some people said they don't want to contribute to the Lazarus wiki for various reasons. If those people want to contribute their knowledge and help others with it, there are alternatives, Essentially the same problem: where to search for existing d

Re: [Lazarus] Wiki Search vs Index

2012-03-01 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2012, 09:05 +0200 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: > 2012/3/1 John Repucci : > > > > Ah - silly me. All this time I have been using "Wiki Search". > > Search for "virtual" > > Index returned: 11 > > Wiki Search returned: 186 > > > As usual, the wiki returns rubbish, 100% of th

Re: [Lazarus] String grids

2012-03-01 Thread David Copeland
Yes, I am discovering this. For example, how to change the background colour of only a portion of a cell. That turned out to be very easy. Thanks, Dave. -Original Message- From: Alexsander Rosa Reply-to: Lazarus mailing list To: Lazarus mailing list Subject: Re: [Lazarus] String grids

Re: [Lazarus] Update twiki

2012-03-01 Thread Alexander Klenin
2012/3/1 Kaj Mikkelsen : > Will it be OK to put a link to the page in a mail, or is that considered > bad? Please do, so I shall see it. I do not monitor wiki actively enough to notice your contribution in the recent changes. I will perform some copyediting, and then link to your tutorial from the

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 10:30:00AM +0100, Michael Schnell wrote: > > Don't blame the tools, don't blame core, don't blame the weather, just > > start. > > Sorry, I tried to keep my moth shut, but I can't. > > If we want contributors who help enhancing the documentation, we are > addressing quit

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > In that case, could we ask the wiki maintainers to please disable the > wiki Search and Index functions, and rather embed a Google Search in > it's place. Yes, that would be a great solution. Unfortunately I don't have access to the wiki

[Lazarus] Contribute to a book instead of wiki?

2012-03-01 Thread Reinier Olislagers
Hi list, Noticed some people said they don't want to contribute to the Lazarus wiki for various reasons. If those people want to contribute their knowledge and help others with it, there are alternatives, such as the Object Pascal/Lazarus book by forum member motaz (Motaz Abdel Azeem): http://cod

Re: [Lazarus] Update twiki

2012-03-01 Thread Reinier Olislagers
On 1-3-2012 7:51, Kaj Mikkelsen wrote: > Hi > > > > I wrote a little tutorial about creating pie chart with the TAChart > components. > I was encouraged to upload it to the wiki. > Could I please get some directions for how and where? Look in the wiki itself, I think there's a help link on the

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 1 March 2012 10:09, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > > lol! Only if you don't know how to use Google. It flawlessly finds > everything I need by searching for "lazarus wiki searchterm". Totally defeats the point of the Search and Index features on the wiki then, doesn't it? In that case,

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread michael . vancanneyt
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, Michael Schnell wrote: On 03/01/2012 09:45 AM, Marco van de Voort wrote: Don't blame the tools, don't blame core, don't blame the weather, just start. Sorry, I tried to keep my moth shut, but I can't. If we want contributors who help enhancing the documentation, we are

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Schnell
On 03/01/2012 09:45 AM, Marco van de Voort wrote: Don't blame the tools, don't blame core, don't blame the weather, just start. Sorry, I tried to keep my moth shut, but I can't. If we want contributors who help enhancing the documentation, we are addressing quite normal users that should be a

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Schnell
On 02/29/2012 05:59 PM, Marc Santhoff wrote: THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! Hm, for me it looks like it is. At least I feel that (regarding the initial thought that dives this thread) a quite "normal" User who wants to help improving the Documentation will be frustrated. -Michael --

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Schreiber
Am 01.03.2012 09:45, schrieb Marco van de Voort: Very easy. People do things. Not people try to force other people to do things, or try to extort other people to do things (if you do this, I might help out, or many other people will come). Don't blame the tools, don't blame core, don't blame th

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Schnell
On 02/29/2012 05:54 PM, Marc Santhoff wrote: Reading about this type of confusion - count me in - I need to ask: Where is the process of building up help files documented? In fact (after the work in progress has stabilized), the documentation should be quite short. Hopefully, finally, there s

Re: [Lazarus] Somebody broke "File Filters" dialog in Lazarus Trunk

2012-03-01 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 1 March 2012 10:41, Mattias Gaertner wrote: > In other words: replace Filter01 with Filter1. Thanks, it's working again. -- Regards,   - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://fpgui.sourceforge.net -- _

Re: [Lazarus] Wiki Search vs Index

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Schnell
On 03/01/2012 08:05 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: What's the point of having a search or index when it always spits out garbage! This is why I vote for decent offline help for all aspects of Lazarus, IDE, Language, LCL, RTL, ... I was happy to get to know that Mathias and you are working on

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 01:45:02AM +0200, Juha Manninen wrote: > > Usually they are driven by a foundation and/or core team. Much like FPC > > nowadays, with occasional alliances with commercial parties that sponsor a > > certain development. > > > > There are not many alternative routes. > > > >

Re: [Lazarus] Project management

2012-03-01 Thread Michael Schnell
On 02/29/2012 06:17 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: I'm not familiar with CHM, don't know how this could be achieved. But I assume that such a feature should be available already - who knows more? That is why I mainly concentrated on DocView and culpably ignored CHM help. -Michael -- ___

Re: [Lazarus] Somebody broke "File Filters" dialog in Lazarus Trunk

2012-03-01 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:42:34 +0200 Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > Hi, > > I got a Lazarus Trunk update yesterday, and this morning noticed that > my File Filters (masks), as defined in "Tools - Options - File > Filters" are not being loaded & displayed correctly. > > I have 12 filters defined (see a

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Vincent Snijders
Op 1 maart 2012 08:12 heeft Graeme Geldenhuys het volgende geschreven: > On 1 March 2012 02:22, Hans-Peter Diettrich  wrote: >> >> The results are very strange. Entering "documentation" finds almost all >> pages, because these have this keyword in the headline and navigation menu. > > > It even fi

Re: [Lazarus] Missing Documentation

2012-03-01 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > The wiki is utterly useless and broken!! If you don't know the > directly link to what you are looking for, chances are you will never > find it. lol! Only if you don't know how to use Google. It flawlessly finds everything I need by sear