Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Sven Barth
Am 15.10.2013 01:30 schrieb "Dmitry Boyarintsev" : > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: >> >> Because you first need to teach people dos (and 8.3), console cmdline and >> general concepts (stdin/stdout, working dir etc) >> > with proper configuration (by system administ

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread wkitty42
On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:25 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 09:38:24AM +0200, Michael Schnell wrote: > > > Probably because dolling up the UI is easier and gives > > > instant-gratification > > > > Better than frustrating the "weaker" students with no gratificat

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread wkitty42
On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:27 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 05:14:14PM -0400, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: > > > Anyway, the whole post was meant more or less as an argument that a good > > > educational tool should 1) be quick to start using (so not TP) 2) not > >

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Dmitry Boyarintsev
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: > > Because you first need to teach people dos (and 8.3), console cmdline and > general concepts (stdin/stdout, working dir etc) > > with proper configuration (by system administrator) the tp would be just start and use (at least it was so

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 09:25:51PM -0400, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: > Well, after all if it's basic course, should they use something from > "Children" list of this page? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_programming_language

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 05:14:14PM -0400, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: > > Anyway, the whole post was meant more or less as an argument that a good > > educational tool should 1) be quick to start using (so not TP) 2) not > > contain parts that are not part of the course and detract too much. > > > >

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 09:38:24AM +0200, Michael Schnell wrote: > > Probably because dolling up the UI is easier and gives > > instant-gratification > > Better than frustrating the "weaker" students with no gratification at all. Why bother then, just pass them all, and forget about stressing an

Re: [Lazarus] qt project compilation failure

2013-10-14 Thread patspiper
On 14/10/13 16:25, zeljko wrote: On 10/14/2013 02:36 PM, patspiper wrote: What am I doing wrong? Trunk and 1.0.99 branch uses latest Qt bindings v.2.5, you're using v.2.1, so update your qt bindings and everything will be ok (libQt4Pas). Also, if you use win32, new libQt4Pas.dll is in binari

Re: [Lazarus] qt project compilation failure

2013-10-14 Thread zeljko
On 10/14/2013 02:36 PM, patspiper wrote: What am I doing wrong? Trunk and 1.0.99 branch uses latest Qt bindings v.2.5, you're using v.2.1, so update your qt bindings and everything will be ok (libQt4Pas). Also, if you use win32, new libQt4Pas.dll is in binaries (svn). z. -- ___

[Lazarus] qt project compilation failure

2013-10-14 Thread patspiper
Hi, I tried to compile an empty project in Lazarus (IDE built with gtk2) with qt widgetset, but got the following errors (note the duplication of linking): Hint: Start of reading config file /home/me/.fpc.cfg Hint: End of reading config file /home/me/.fpc.cfg Free Pascal Compiler version 2.6.

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Michael Schnell
On 10/12/2013 01:36 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote: Probably because dolling up the UI is easier and gives instant-gratification Better than frustrating the "weaker" students with no gratification at all. -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@l

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Michael Schnell
On 10/12/2013 09:18 PM, wkitt...@windstream.net wrote: Students tend to overfocus on embellishing forms etc, and not spending their time on the more problem-solving oriented assignment. IMHO the contrary is true. Using Delphi (or Lazarus) you can concentrate on the problem solving , while doin

Re: [Lazarus] Graeme would love this, or not, I think

2013-10-14 Thread Antonio Fortuny
Le 12/10/2013 13:36, Marco van de Voort a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 05:28:33PM -0400, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: There was something similar 1-2 years ago in Great Britain, where education commission recognized pascal languages (Delphi) as