Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013, Michael Schnell wrote: On 11/28/2013 04:39 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: These days it is very easy to make a very responsive web gui. Responsiveness (the program reacts to user input) is not the problem I meant to describe but the ability of the program to issue state

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/29/2013 10:39 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Given that the average user has a reaction time of 1 second, polling every second is really not an issue. OK. As you seem to have done a lot of research on that, I am looking forward to what you are going to come up with. Thanks for

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/28/2013 05:39 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev wrote: Even if LCL will start web target today, it will be 10 years later that LCL can be used without problems. You don't seem to know what Michel v C and friends can do :-) :-) -Michael -- ___ Lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Santiago Amposta
El 28/11/2013 15:01, Michael Van Canneyt escribió: On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Santiago A. wrote: Perhaps Lazarus should start thinking about a widget html+javascript and prioritize it. I am laying the groundwork for this since some years. It is not an easy task if you want to do it correctly.

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Michael Schnell wrote: On 11/28/2013 04:39 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: These days it is very easy to make a very responsive web gui. Responsiveness (the program reacts to user input) is not the problem I meant to describe but the ability of the program to issue state messages

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Andrew Brunner
On 11/29/2013 03:36 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: With the new version they converted to a remote GUI in the browser (thus the functionality is within the box, while the remote GUI implementation is completely independent from the functionality). I do suppose they did this for a reason :-) .

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Andrew Brunner
On 11/29/2013 03:28 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: Responsiveness (the program reacts to user input) is not the problem I meant to describe but the ability of the program to issue state messages spontaneously. This is hampered by the missing symmetry of the http protocol: The client needs to

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Dariusz Mazur
I have made a small test program, by hand, with no LCL and no RAD utilities. It is boring and a lot of dirty work, but not difficult (If I could do it, it can't be difficult, my programming skills are rusted after years of programming sales reports). I have taken a look at QT widget, and

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Dariusz Mazur
On 2013-11-29 10:28, Michael Schnell wrote: On 11/28/2013 04:39 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: These days it is very easy to make a very responsive web gui. Responsiveness (the program reacts to user input) is not the problem I meant to describe but the ability of the program to issue state

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-11-29 Thread Dariusz Mazur
On 2013-11-29 11:01, Michael Schnell wrote: On 11/28/2013 10:29 PM, Santi wrote: I don't want to use Lazarus because it is the last defender of Native controls against the evil web-controls. I want to use Lazarus because I want to use a powerful language like Pascal in the backend and a