Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/30/2013 09:08 AM, Martin Schreiber wrote: ... If course I do remember very well, how ifi works. For me, it is a really great idea to decently physically separate the business logic from the GUI without completely loosing the RAD features Delphi, Lazarus and mseGUI provide. At best you

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/29/2013 11:22 PM, Dariusz Mazur wrote: Could You mention this problems? I did not do tests myself, but when researching I was told that some Web servers would kill the connection to the client and/or the fast-cgi and would not recover decently. At that time I did not know about

Re: [Lazarus] Is there an industry language for specifying for declaring GUIs in JSON?

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 12/01/2013 04:57 PM, vfclists . wrote: Are there some industry standards for specifying GUIs in JSON? See Future of the Desktop right here. -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/30/2013 01:44 PM, vfclists . wrote: The 'desktop' for Delphi developers where many FreePascal come from basically means Microsoft. AFAIK, the mother of the Desktop is X11, which IIRC was invented by Xerox (for headless Unix boxes). Using the siblings of same, we now have KDE and

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/30/2013 01:38 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Extpascal does wat mseide does. Transport everything back to the server. That is completely the wrong approach. Not scalable at all. A really scalable solution would have to provide both: - just compile the normal Lazarus / mseGUI based

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/30/2013 02:24 PM, Andrew Brunner wrote: The more server off-loading the better. This was the idea behind Silverlight. But seemingly Silverlight is not actively supported any more, which IMHO makes the idea of C# / CIL / .net rather senseless (obsolete). -Michael --

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/30/2013 04:28 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Easy: Because of all the advantages that Pascal has over the mess that Javascript is. +1 (so your idea would be a nice option to do javascript stuff even with no gui actions involved) The inventors of Javascript should be publicly

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
lost in translation: simple compiler switch ... convert it (e.g.) in a cgi with a browser based remote GUI. -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Michael Schnell wrote: On 11/30/2013 01:44 PM, vfclists . wrote: The 'desktop' for Delphi developers where many FreePascal come from basically means Microsoft. AFAIK, the mother of the Desktop is X11, which IIRC was invented by Xerox (for headless Unix boxes). The mother of the /desktop/,

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Schnell
On 12/02/2013 10:55 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I think you're at risk of mixing layers again. Of course you are absolutely right and I do know this. But I replied to Microsoft being the inventor of the desktop we are using. And Microsoft does not use a (publicly) defined X layer but that

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Sven Barth
Am 02.12.2013 11:32 schrieb Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de: But I replied to Microsoft being the inventor of the desktop we are using. Let's look at what you replied to: On 11/30/2013 01:44 PM, vfclists . wrote: The 'desktop' for Delphi developers where many FreePascal come from basically

[Lazarus] Changing tempdir via startup parameters

2013-12-02 Thread William Oliveira Ferreira
Hi List, I can use --pcp=blablabla to make lazarus use a different config file, but, i wanna change a special setting: 'Temp Dir'. Is it possible? I wanna install Lazarus on a PenDrive and develop on any windows machine i plug it and i don't wanna use my pendrive as tempdir.. --

Re: [Lazarus] Changing tempdir via startup parameters

2013-12-02 Thread Mattias Gaertner
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:29:37 -0200 William Oliveira Ferreira bdexterholl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, I can use --pcp=blablabla to make lazarus use a different config file, but, i wanna change a special setting: 'Temp Dir'. Is it possible? The IDE uses the TEMP environment variable by

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread waldo kitty
On 12/2/2013 4:06 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: If your effort allows for compiling pascal to Java Script this might be even do you mean java or javascript above? ;) -- NOTE: No off-list assistance is given without prior approval. Please keep mailing list traffic on the list unless

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Kostas Michalopoulos
Actually, Microsoft has nothing to do with GEM, it was made by Digital Research. Also technically GEM is/was very different from Windows (GEM relies on interrupts and can run only a single program while Windows was multitasking from the start, GEM apps can be made by any DOS compiler that can

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Dmitry Boyarintsev
We need a desktop development history page on the wiki. It is not FPC or Lazarus related, but something that's interesting to read for a developer :) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org

Re: [Lazarus] The future of desktop

2013-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Kostas Michalopoulos schrieb: Actually, Microsoft has nothing to do with GEM, it was made by Digital Research. Right, but it was the first desktop presented by Microsoft. Also technically GEM is/was very different from Windows (GEM relies on interrupts and can run only a single program while

Re: [Lazarus] Is there an industry language for specifying for declaring GUIs in JSON?

2013-12-02 Thread vfclists .
On 2 December 2013 08:25, Michael Schnell mschn...@lumino.de wrote: On 12/01/2013 04:57 PM, vfclists . wrote: Are there some industry standards for specifying GUIs in JSON? See Future of the Desktop right here. -Michael -- ___ Lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] How to exec some gdb command on start in lazarus

2013-12-02 Thread hovercraft
It may be a late reply, but for somebody interested: it is possible to achieve this by altering lazarus source file debugger/gdbmidebugger.pp (as previously mentioned by Martin). But line actually should be if (Assigned(FTheDebugger)) then FTheDebugger.ExecuteCommand('handle SIGPIPE ignore