Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-18 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Alexsander Rosa schrieb: Here in Brazil we've been always metric but we use "inches" sometimes. For example: most TV sets, computer monitors, diskettes (obsolete), water pipes (specially smaller sizes), surf boards and automobile wheels still are measured in inches. The conversion is easy: 1 in

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-18 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
2009/12/18 Alexsander Rosa : > Here in Brazil we've been always metric but we use "inches" sometimes. South Africa is similar, though sometimes TV sets are in cm too. eg: my TV set is a 74cm set. South Africa has used the metric system for as long as I can remember, but it is strange why the items

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-18 Thread Reimar Grabowski
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:28:38 -0200 Alexsander Rosa wrote: > Here in Brazil we've been always metric but we use "inches" sometimes. For > example: most TV sets, computer monitors, diskettes (obsolete), water pipes > (specially smaller sizes), surf boards and automobile wheels still are > measured

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-18 Thread Alexsander Rosa
Here in Brazil we've been always metric but we use "inches" sometimes. For example: most TV sets, computer monitors, diskettes (obsolete), water pipes (specially smaller sizes), surf boards and automobile wheels still are measured in inches. The conversion is easy: 1 in = 2.54 cm, 1 feet = 12 inche

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-18 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/12/18 Graeme Geldenhuys : > John wrote: >> this century!  (Not sure why we still mostly refer to monitors in inches >> when Australia has been "metrified" for decades.) > > It's those fn Americans. :-) I think they are one of the last countries > in the world (read stubborn) that are still

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-17 Thread waldo kitty
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: John wrote: this century! (Not sure why we still mostly refer to monitors in inches when Australia has been "metrified" for decades.) It's those fn Americans. :-) I think they are one of the last countries in the world (read stubborn) that are still stuck with inc

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-17 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
John wrote: > this century! (Not sure why we still mostly refer to monitors in inches > when Australia has been "metrified" for decades.) It's those fn Americans. :-) I think they are one of the last countries in the world (read stubborn) that are still stuck with inches, miles, lbs etc... O

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-17 Thread John
Marco van de Voort wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 01:47:18PM +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: 2009/12/17 Lance Collins : "... buy a larger monitor" ??:-) ??I like the way you think. Quick and easy solutions. I can buy a 24 inch 1080p LCD monitor for $A209. Perhaps Lazaru

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-17 Thread Marco van de Voort
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 01:47:18PM +0200, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > 2009/12/17 Lance Collins : > >> "... buy a larger monitor" ??:-) ??I like the way you think. Quick and easy > >> solutions. > > > > I can buy a 24 inch 1080p LCD monitor for $A209. > > > > Perhaps Lazarus could standardize on 26

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-17 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
I think Lance meant this for the mailing list and not to my personal account. 2009/12/17 Lance Collins : > >> >> "... buy a larger monitor"  :-)  I like the way you think. Quick and easy >> solutions. > > I can buy a 24 inch 1080p LCD monitor for $A209. > > Perhaps Lazarus could standardize on 26

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-16 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Henry Vermaak wrote: > which case you will have to resize the window or buy a larger monitor. "... buy a larger monitor" :-) I like the way you think. Quick and easy solutions. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://opensoft.homeip.net/

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-16 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/12/16 waldo kitty : > well, this also would depend on the method of designing the forms, right? > consider... one creates a form and places buttons here and there... they > expect that these buttons will appear in the same place with the same size > regardless of OS, widgetset and font... many

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-15 Thread waldo kitty
Henry Vermaak wrote: 2009/12/15 waldo kitty : Henry Vermaak wrote: Gtk says that if widgets need to have hard clipping, they should create their own window. This causes performance issues, though, by increasing communication with the x server. But this is really a non-issue. I'd argue that c

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-15 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/12/15 waldo kitty : > Henry Vermaak wrote: >> >> Gtk says that if widgets need to have hard clipping, they should >> create their own window.  This causes performance issues, though, by >> increasing communication with the x server. >> >> But this is really a non-issue.  I'd argue that clippin

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-15 Thread waldo kitty
Henry Vermaak wrote: Gtk says that if widgets need to have hard clipping, they should create their own window. This causes performance issues, though, by increasing communication with the x server. But this is really a non-issue. I'd argue that clipping is almost always bad. What use is somet

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-15 Thread Luiz Americo Pereira Camara
Graeme Geldenhuys escreveu: Henry Vermaak wrote: Maybe you can also explain to me what good hard-coded bounds are, given that you will never be able to get it right to suit everyone's language, theme or font size. And how bad does it look when a component paints outside it's bounds. Qu

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-15 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/12/15 Graeme Geldenhuys : > > And how bad does it look when a component paints outside it's bounds. Quick > answer - Terrible! Considering that I have not seen a single other GUI > toolkit allow that, it IS simply a bug in GTK2. This will only happen if the developer goes against the gtk docu

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Henry Vermaak wrote: > > Sigh. Maybe you should raise that on the gtk list? Maybe I should report a few bugs there... > Maybe you can > also explain to me what good hard-coded bounds are, given that you > will never be able to get it right to suit everyone's language, theme > or font size. A

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-15 Thread Henry Vermaak
2009/12/15 Graeme Geldenhuys : > Marc Weustink wrote: >> On 14-12-2009 15:37, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: >>> Will this in any way affect LCL? >> >> Not, since it is already the case for most controls. Thats why you >> sometimes can draw a buttoncaption outside a button. > > Ah, so that explains it. T

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Marc Weustink wrote: > On 14-12-2009 15:37, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: >> Will this in any way affect LCL? > > Not, since it is already the case for most controls. Thats why you > sometimes can draw a buttoncaption outside a button. Ah, so that explains it. That problem is quite visible in Lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Mattias Gärtner wrote: > >> Will this in any way affect LCL? > > Probably not I guessed it will be like the switch-over that Qt did. It didn't seem to affect the LCL-Qt either. Either way, I just thought I might mention it. > Ubuntu is already at 2.18 so it contains the 2.17 patches. I'm usin

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-14 Thread Marc Weustink
On 14-12-2009 15:37, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Will this in any way affect LCL? Not, since it is already the case for most controls. Thats why you sometimes can draw a buttoncaption outside a button. Just came across this information, so I thought I would mention it. Seems GTK is now followi

Re: [Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-14 Thread Mattias Gärtner
Zitat von Graeme Geldenhuys : Will this in any way affect LCL? Probably not 1. The gtk intf does not use many X functions and the gtk2 already had a lot of window less widgets. 2. Ubuntu is already at 2.18 so it contains the 2.17 patches. The only problems I know are that some themes cause

[Lazarus] GTK2 changed to single-handle-per-form design

2009-12-14 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Will this in any way affect LCL? Just came across this information, so I thought I would mention it. Seems GTK is now following Qt in design. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/909m7/gtk_2173_is_released_the_clientside_windows/ http://live.gnome.org/GTK+/ClientSideWindows How will th