Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-09 Thread Burkhard Carstens
Am Dienstag, 7. Dezember 2010 20:40 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich: > Burkhard Carstens schrieb: > > I'd like to buy a sweatshirt, a mousepad and 3 mugs. Unfortunately, > > neither visa nor paypal are acceptable methods of payment for me. I > > prefer to get a bill with my stuff. If that's impossible

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-09 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Joost van der Sluis schrieb: Lazarus and Free Pascal are really driven by volunteers, and so those who offer support (Like on the LazarusSupport website) have their own website. It would not be fair to place links to LazarusSupport as if it was also from the main teams. It's not a matter of fa

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-09 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Burkhard Carstens schrieb: I'd like to buy a sweatshirt, a mousepad and 3 mugs. Unfortunately, neither visa nor paypal are acceptable methods of payment for me. I prefer to get a bill with my stuff. If that's impossible, I'd also accept paying "per Nachnahme". That's C.O.D. (Cash On Delivery

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-07 Thread Max Vlasov
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: > Alexsander Rosa schrieb: > > Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like >> this: >> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 >> >> Ubuntu also has a service called "Ubuntu Advantage" which

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-07 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Alexsander Rosa schrieb: Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like this: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 Ubuntu also has a service called "Ubuntu Advantage" which gives advantages to enterprises that choose to pay a fee, like a network a

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus [EOT]

2010-12-07 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 7/12/2010 11:52 πμ, ο/η Lukasz Sokol έγραψε: I should not reply either, but as you are indirectly telling me I am stupid and ignorant, sprinkling it with wikipedia definitions like they grew on trees then I have nothing else to say than I trully apologize if my mail implied that you're st

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus [EOT]

2010-12-07 Thread Lukasz Sokol
Oh by the way, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_%28Usenet%29 L. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-07 Thread Vincent Snijders
2010/12/7 Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis : > Στις 7/12/2010 10:52 πμ, ο/η Lukasz Sokol έγραψε: > > On 06/12/2010 20:11, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: > > Στις 6/12/2010 9:57 μμ, ο/η Vincent Snijders έγραψε: > > This mail, http://www.mail-archive.com/laza...@miraclec.com/msg06878.html > is stil up to da

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus [EOT]

2010-12-07 Thread Lukasz Sokol
I should not reply either, but as you are indirectly telling me I am stupid and ignorant, sprinkling it with wikipedia definitions like they grew on trees then I have nothing else to say than WELCOME TO MY KILLFILE. I shall never read anything you post again, as it is worthless, empty and showin

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-07 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 7/12/2010 10:52 πμ, ο/η Lukasz Sokol έγραψε: On 06/12/2010 20:11, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: Στις 6/12/2010 9:57 μμ, ο/η Vincent Snijders έγραψε: This mail, http://www.mail-archive.com/laza...@miraclec.com/msg06878.html is stil up to date. Users, feel free to unite and create a founda

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-07 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 06/12/2010 20:11, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: > > Στις 6/12/2010 9:57 μμ, ο/η Vincent Snijders έγραψε: >> This mail, http://www.mail-archive.com/laza...@miraclec.com/msg06878.html >> is stil up to date. Users, feel free to unite and create a foundation. > > It's not that simple otherwise i

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 6/12/2010 9:57 μμ, ο/η Vincent Snijders έγραψε: 2010/12/6 Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: This is why a Free Pascal / Lazarus/ "FP&L" / ObjectFlorian Pascal ( ;) ) ( pick your TLA ) Foundation comes in sight ... This mail, http://www.mail-archive.com/laza...@miraclec.com/msg06878.html is stil u

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Vincent Snijders
2010/12/6 Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis : > This is why a Free Pascal / Lazarus/ "FP&L" / ObjectFlorian Pascal ( ;) ) ( > pick your TLA ) Foundation comes in sight ... This mail, http://www.mail-archive.com/laza...@miraclec.com/msg06878.html is stil up to date. Users, feel free to unite and create a fo

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
This is why a Free Pascal / Lazarus/ "FP&L" / ObjectFlorian Pascal ( ;) ) ( pick your TLA ) Foundation comes in sight ... " Software is a conversation, between the software developer and the user. But for that conversation to happen requires a lot of work beyond the software development.

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Marco Aurelio Ramirez Carrillo
Hi. I've been following this thread. A few years ago, I suggested (with another email address) to try to make a foundation, like "Open Office" foundation, for FPC or/and Lazarus, in this list. But, several people disapproved. Why I think its a good idea to have a "foundation" or group ? I observ

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Burkhard Carstens
Am Montag, 6. Dezember 2010 16:58 schrieb Michael A. Hess: > > 2010/12/6 Alexsander Rosa > > > >> Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products > >> like this: > >> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 > > > > You mean like: http://www.cafepress.com/mirac

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Lukasz Sokol
On 06/12/2010 16:50, Alexsander Rosa wrote: > I see the "service" part of the so-called "money model" is ok, then. > We have only to improve and/or create a cool LOGO to sell more apparel. > Take a look at some other "programming tools" logos I've found online: > > Delphi (auto parts) > http://del

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Alexsander Rosa
I see the "service" part of the so-called "money model" is ok, then. We have only to improve and/or create a cool LOGO to sell more apparel. Take a look at some other "programming tools" logos I've found online: Delphi (auto parts) http://delphi.com/images/app/logoDelphiMain.gif (cool) Embarcader

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 11:49 -0200, Alexsander Rosa wrote: > Both Ubuntu links are very easy to find at www.ubuntu.com website. > Compare that to www.lazarus.freepascal.org website. Yes, but the big difference is that Ubuntu is in fact a commercial company. So they can offer the support on their ma

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 10:46 -0200, Alexsander Rosa wrote: > Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products > like this: > http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 > > Ubuntu also has a service called "Ubuntu Advantage" which gives > advantages to enterprises t

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Michael A. Hess
> 2010/12/6 Alexsander Rosa > >> Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like >> this: >> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 >> > > > You mean like: http://www.cafepress.com/miraclec > > Michael, how many did you sell over the years? Little to no

[Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus (THE IMPORTANT PART)

2010-12-06 Thread Osvaldo Filho
Please, see the important part: "Thus next time *you*’ll be deploying your application with ... *(LAZARUS)*, think about sending $10 or even $1. I bet it’s nothing for you (compared to price of the application or money you’re paying for toilet paper in your office). And ten thousand people (not m

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Vincent Snijders
2010/12/6 zeljko : > On Monday 06 December 2010 14:02, Vincent Snijders wrote: >> 2010/12/6 Alexsander Rosa >> >> > Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like >> > this: >> > http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 >> >> You mean like: http://www.caf

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread zeljko
On Monday 06 December 2010 14:02, Vincent Snijders wrote: > 2010/12/6 Alexsander Rosa > > > Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like > > this: > > http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 > > You mean like: http://www.cafepress.com/miraclec Wow, pi

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Alexsander Rosa
Both Ubuntu links are very easy to find at www.ubuntu.com website. Compare that to www.lazarus.freepascal.org website. 2010/12/6 Florian Klaempfl > Am 06.12.2010 13:46, schrieb Alexsander Rosa: > > Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like > > this: > > http://shop.

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Am 06.12.2010 13:46, schrieb Alexsander Rosa: > Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like > this: > http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 > > Ubuntu also has a service called "Ubuntu Advantage" which gives > advantages to enterprises that choose t

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Alexsander Rosa
Here in Brazil there's an online store called "Loja Geek" that sells -- among other things -- open-source related t-shirts with nice designs. They even have a "section" called "Languages and Development": http://www.lojageek.com/projetos-livres/linguagens-desenvolvimento.html I've googled their ro

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Vincent Snijders
2010/12/6 Alexsander Rosa > Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like > this: > http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 > You mean like: http://www.cafepress.com/miraclec Michael, how many did you sell over the years? Vincent -- ___

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Alexsander Rosa
Back to the topic: I think the Lazarus project could SELL products like this: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648 Ubuntu also has a service called "Ubuntu Advantage" which gives advantages to enterprises that choose to pay a fee, like a network admin tool, a 24/7 support pho

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-06 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Op 2010-12-05 11:28, Bo Berglund het geskryf: You are referring to a webpage which holds no information as to WHAT Firebird really is. It contains loads of info like many other A kind suggestion: Have your eyes tested very soon. In the title of that website, even th

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Dave Coventry
On 6 December 2010 09:38, Paul Ishenin wrote: > 06.12.2010 14:30, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > ... >> >> Next time, read the website information in detail or use other Google >> links, before you make another fool of yourself. > > Graeme, I think you are a bit angry last time. > > Best regards, > Pa

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Paul Ishenin
06.12.2010 14:30, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: ... Next time, read the website information in detail or use other Google links, before you make another fool of yourself. Graeme, I think you are a bit angry last time. Best regards, Paul Ishenin -- ___ L

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Op 2010-12-05 11:28, Bo Berglund het geskryf: > You are referring to a webpage which holds no information as to WHAT > Firebird really is. It contains loads of info like many other A kind suggestion: Have your eyes tested very soon. In the title of that website, even the title of your Web Brows

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Andreas Schneider wrote: > Sorry to say so, but your comprehension skills seem to be pretty low. > Please read the message again (and again, and again), it is NOT about > Firebird and/or its internals, it is about an Open Source Project and > its financing ... which

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Henry Vermaak
On 5 December 2010 09:28, Bo Berglund wrote: > On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:58:43 +, Henry Vermaak > wrote: > >>On 3 December 2010 22:29, Bo Berglund wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho >>> wrote: >>> Is Firebird really free? >>> >>> What exactly is FIREBIRD >>

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Andreas Schneider
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 10:31:01 +0100, Bo Berglund wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho > wrote: > >>And by the way, Firebird is not “just” engine, but tools around too: .NET >>driver [image: ;)] , Java driver, documentation, QA, …, you name it. > > OK, but what is then the p

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Bo Berglund wrote: On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:58:43 +, Henry Vermaak wrote: On 3 December 2010 22:29, Bo Berglund wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho wrote: Is Firebird really free? What exactly is FIREBIRD http://lmgtfy.com/?q=firebird&l=1 Interesting response

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Vincent Snijders
2010/12/5 Bo Berglund : > On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:58:43 +, Henry Vermaak > wrote: > >>On 3 December 2010 22:29, Bo Berglund wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho >>> wrote: >>> Is Firebird really free? >>> >>> What exactly is FIREBIRD >> >>http://lmgtfy.com/?

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Bo Berglund
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho wrote: >And by the way, Firebird is not “just” engine, but tools around too: .NET >driver [image: ;)] , Java driver, documentation, QA, …, you name it. OK, but what is then the purpose of the Firebird "engine" It seems to be only fair to the r

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-05 Thread Bo Berglund
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:58:43 +, Henry Vermaak wrote: >On 3 December 2010 22:29, Bo Berglund wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho >> wrote: >> >>>Is Firebird really free? >>> >> >> What exactly is FIREBIRD > >http://lmgtfy.com/?q=firebird&l=1 Interesting response wi

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-03 Thread Henry Vermaak
On 3 December 2010 22:29, Bo Berglund wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho > wrote: > >>Is Firebird really free? >> > > What exactly is FIREBIRD http://lmgtfy.com/?q=firebird&l=1 -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazar

Re: [Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-03 Thread Bo Berglund
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:19:12 -0300, Osvaldo Filho wrote: >Is Firebird really free? > What exactly is FIREBIRD Something connected to Lazarus or FreePascal? -- Bo Berglund Developer in Sweden -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.fre

[Lazarus] OFFTOPIC: Money Model, for Lazarus

2010-12-02 Thread Osvaldo Filho
Is Firebird really free? If you’re expecting some sensation, I’ll not make you happy. Shortly, yes, Firebird is free, completely. You can use it wherever you want and you don’t have to pay anything nor release sources of your application nor … On the other hand, the whole truth, considering all t