Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: On 2013-04-24 16:54, leledumbo wrote: The prerequisites suck, REALLY REALLY SUCK (why do the hell they need .NET framework there?) Because they had the brain fart to write the Delphi IDE in .NET, thus giving it the special features of being super slow, incredibly

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Antonio Fortuny
Le 25/04/2013 08:25, Hans-Peter Diettrich a crit: IMO we (FPC/Lazarus) should be prepared for providing a new home for desparate Delphi coders, which will trash RadStudio for too little and too slow progress, and lack of compatibility, at a

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Sven Barth
Am 25.04.2013 09:54, schrieb Antonio Fortuny: Maybe one thing could make happier than now: is it out there any plans to have Lazarus to manage project groups ? It is the only problem which bothers me. I requested that already around two years ago: http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=18518

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 04/24/2013 09:44 PM, Sven Barth wrote: Because AFAIK they implemented various features in the IDE through the .NET framework. And yes, I don't like that idea either ;) Regarding the recent (seemingly non existing) discussions on CIL (which mostly is miss-named .NET, as the CIL virtual

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Mattias Gaertner
Sven Barth pascaldra...@googlemail.com hat am 25. April 2013 um 10:10 geschrieben: Am 25.04.2013 09:54, schrieb Antonio Fortuny: Maybe one thing could make happier than now: is it out there any plans to have Lazarus to manage project groups ? It is the only

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2013-04-25 07:25, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Well, slow and memory hungry may be, but portability is achieved to every .NET enabled platform. WinForms is not 100% portable via Mono (last I checked). I wouldn't go that route either because Microsoft will be on your case when it suits them -

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 04/24/2013 11:09 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Because they had the brain fart to write the Delphi IDE in .NET, thus giving it the special features of being super slow, incredibly memory hungry and not portable to other platforms. In fact .NET code is rather portable (using Mono) Of course

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 04/25/2013 08:25 AM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: IMO we (FPC/Lazarus) should be prepared for providing a new home for desparate Delphi coders, ... I think the current state in fact would offer a nice home for them, if there would not be the Unicode mess, that only will not take them aback

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: On 2013-04-25 07:25, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Well, slow and memory hungry may be, but portability is achieved to every .NET enabled platform. WinForms is not 100% portable via Mono (last I checked). I wouldn't go that route either because Microsoft will be on

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013, Michael Schnell wrote: On 04/24/2013 11:09 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Because they had the brain fart to write the Delphi IDE in .NET, thus giving it the special features of being super slow, incredibly memory hungry and not portable to other platforms. In fact .NET

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 04/25/2013 02:04 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: With Miguel de icaza choosing for Apple, Mono will die slowly anyway :) It can't happen soon enough as far as I'm concerned, I've never forgiven OpenSuSE their use of mono. :) If CIL would have been as successful as one might have assumed

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Schnell
On 04/25/2013 03:39 PM, Alexsander Rosa wrote: Is Mono alive yet? Looks like: http://news.mono-project.com/ -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Schnell
Seemingly no support for Linux, Android. - http://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread Adrian Veith
- different compilers for the supported targets - the new ARC is only available for ARM iOS. How can they sell this ... as a cross-platform solution ? - do we have September again ? Now they are going to sell you beta software in a half year cycle (instead of yearly as they used to do in the

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread vfclists .
On 24 April 2013 09:52, Adrian Veith adr...@veith-system.de wrote: - different compilers for the supported targets - the new ARC is only available for ARM iOS. How can they sell this ... as a cross-platform solution ? - do we have September again ? Now they are going to sell you beta

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
vfclists . schrieb: Why don't they give make it a 120 or 180 day evaluation with bug fixes included? It takes time to evaluate a product as well as develop a good product in it, something you may be doing in your spare time. If after using that long it turns out to be good enough the

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread leledumbo
://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/XE4/en/Installation_Notes_for_XE4 -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/Lazarus-RAD-Studio-XE4-Released-tp4030944p4030986.html Sent from the Free Pascal - Lazarus mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread Sven Barth
On 24.04.2013 17:54, leledumbo wrote: How can they sell this ... as a cross-platform solution ? For most people, having at least two different targets already counts cross-platform, even if the host is only one (yaoming). The prerequisites suck, REALLY REALLY SUCK (why do the hell they need

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2013-04-24 16:54, leledumbo wrote: The prerequisites suck, REALLY REALLY SUCK (why do the hell they need .NET framework there?) Because they had the brain fart to write the Delphi IDE in .NET, thus giving it the special features of being super slow, incredibly memory hungry and not portable

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-24 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2013-04-24 16:54, leledumbo wrote: The prerequisites suck, REALLY REALLY SUCK (why do the hell they need .NET framework there?) I also forgot to mention the biggest laughing stock of them all... A full install with help just takes 45-60 minutes. WTF! Yeah, I heard them say that on todays

[Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-23 Thread vfclists .
http://www.h-online.com/developer/news/item/RAD-Studio-XE4-focuses-on-cross-platform-apps-1848176.html http://www.embarcadero.com/press-releases/embarcadero-technologies-unveils-multi-device-true-native-app-development-suite -- Frank Church ===

Re: [Lazarus] RAD Studio XE4 Released?

2013-04-23 Thread Boian Mitov
Yes, it is released as planned on April 22. With best regards, Boian Mitov --- Mitov Software www.mitov.com --- -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 21086 of