Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-05-01 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 5/1/06, Henrique de Paula Faria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FPC and Lazarus are not different. BTW they´re better because are plataform independent. Better then what? On their website I see they only have it available for windows x86, linux x86 and Macintosh PowerPC. Lazarus has a few more:

RE: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-30 Thread Fatih Demirdag
Here on Turkey, Visual Basic and Delphi were both most used languages by relatively elder organizations. New ones now chooses between Java and .NET (yet Delphi .NET not even considered, just MS Visual Studio)   On the other hand in universities pascal considered as old, incapable and dead languag

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-30 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 4/30/06, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think Pascal/Delphi whatever is always stronger in Europe. On Brasil Delphi is very popular. I would say it is almost as popular as Java. It could be much more popular, but Borland's bad decisions / marketing and etc is hurting it. Spec

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-30 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
> So guess what. If they don't even know what Delphi is they are not going > to move to use FPC/Lazarus. It is a very tough sell here in the US. You just - unwillingly, I assume - provided a good reason to relocate the new Borland 'DevCo' to a place outside the US, considering their flagship ha

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-30 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Michael A. Hess wrote: > On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, George Lober wrote: > >>> 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly >> >> This fact baffles me. Why isn't there more participation in development >> from North America ? Surely the appeal of Pascal isn't limited to >> cultural or national borders. I

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-30 Thread Lepidosteus
On 4/30/06, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:59:50 -0400 (EDT) "Michael A. Hess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can answer that. It isn't taught in school at all. If you go to any > school and I mean any school that teaches CompSci in any way they will > tell you

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread Micha Nelissen
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:59:50 -0400 (EDT) "Michael A. Hess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can answer that. It isn't taught in school at all. If you go to any > school and I mean any school that teaches CompSci in any way they will > tell you that, "Pascal is a dead and useless language. Nobody use

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread L505
> I can answer that. It isn't taught in school at all. If you go to any > school and I mean any school that teaches CompSci in any way they will > tell you that, "Pascal is a dead and useless language. Nobody uses Pascal > anymore". This was almost the exact quotation I heard from people on a loc

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread Michael A. Hess
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, George Lober wrote: > > 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly > > > This fact baffles me. Why isn't there more participation in development > from North America ? Surely the appeal of Pascal isn't limited to > cultural or national borders. Is it lack of interest for Pas

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, m2 wrote: > Michael Van Canneyt a écrit : > > > > Assuming that we are actually infringing on any patents (which I don't > > believe): > > It perfectly sums up the problem : you don't believe. I am a notorious atheist and sceptic here in my little corner of the world :-)

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread m2
Michael Van Canneyt a écrit : Assuming that we are actually infringing on any patents (which I don't believe): It perfectly sums up the problem : you don't believe. But you cannot know. The only way to know whether a software is infringing a patent is to publish this software and to wait for t

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, Marco van de Voort wrote: > > > > No problem. Some remarks: > > > > 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly, and software patents > > are not enforced in Europe. They have no clear legal status here. > > > > 2. They would be shooting in their own foot, because FPC/GPC

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread Marco van de Voort
> > No problem. Some remarks: > > 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly, and software patents > are not enforced in Europe. They have no clear legal status here. > > 2. They would be shooting in their own foot, because FPC/GPC are > actually enlarging their user-base instead of making it s

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: > On 4/28/06, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 1. > FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly, and software patents > > are not enforced in Europe. They have no clear legal status here. > > A more clear example: I will help the One

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly, and software patents > > are not enforced in Europe. They have no clear legal status here. > > > > 2. They would be shooting in their own foot, because FPC/GPC are > > actually enlarging their user-bas

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread johnf
On Friday 28 April 2006 17:43, George Lober wrote: > This fact baffles me. Why isn't there more participation in development > from North America ? What a loaded question. I think I know why. It has nothing to do with Pascal. John __

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 4/28/06, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While lazarus looks like plagiarism, MSEGUI looks like creativity. Almost all softwares are plagiarism. To start with all GNU projects are a plagiarism of some kind. GNU is plagiarism of UNIX. GCC from other compilers. KDE is a plagiarism from Window

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread Mark Andrews
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly, and software patents are not enforced in Europe. They have no clear legal status here. But they are enforced here when the patent holder asks the PTO to do so. 2. They would be shooting in their own foot, because FPC/

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread George Lober
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a question for the Lazarus/FPC community, that I got from a another thread in the mailing list (Lazarus Foundation). Does someones knows if there's a potential problem with Lazarus or FPC due to patents ? B

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread L505
> I am exitating to use Lazarus, because Borland may sue OLPC on patent > infringment due to VCL patents. And remeber that OLPC is on the United > States. > > Is this possibility a reality? > > My second alternative (and a more likely one) is to use Free Pascal > with pure GTK+ What about MSEGU

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On 4/28/06, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly, and software patents are not enforced in Europe. They have no clear legal status here. A more clear example: I will help the One Laptop Per Child Foundation develop one of their softwares. I am e

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread L505
> No problem. Some remarks: > > 1. FPC/Lazarus is a european project mostly, and software patents > are not enforced in Europe. They have no clear legal status here. > > 2. They would be shooting in their own foot, because FPC/GPC are > actually enlarging their user-base instead of making it small

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread anteusz
Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a question for the Lazarus/FPC community, that I got from a another thread in the mailing list (Lazarus Foundation). Does someones knows if there's a potential problem with Lazarus or FPC due to patents ? Bo

Re: [lazarus] Lazarus vs Patents

2006-04-28 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a question for the Lazarus/FPC community, that I got from a another thread in the mailing list (Lazarus Foundation). Does someones knows if there's a potential problem with Lazarus or FPC due to patents ? Borland, usuallys has an open