Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
David Douthitt, 2001-07-17 23:34 -0400 Andrew Hoying wrote: We could develop a nice xml/xslt interface to it all that would be easy to parse, sort and categorize. It makes a lot of sense, but would require updating a lot of old packages to include the .desc file. That wouldn't take that

RE: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Andrew Hoying
David, There is already a packages directory specifically for this purpose. I'd like packages that are placed in it to have ownership set to yourname.leaf and permissions set to 664. You can scp files into it at: /home/groups/l/le/leaf/pub/packages One question, how should we include the

RE: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
Andrew Hoying, 2001-07-18 08:15 -0600 David, There is already a packages directory specifically for this purpose. I'd like packages that are placed in it to have ownership set to yourname.leaf and permissions set to 664. You can scp files into it at:

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
Dale Long, 2001-07-18 12:33 +0930 On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: Perhaps LEAF can adopt the Debian classification system (free and non-free, etc.) and classify packages that way? I would be interested in seeing an LRP package repositry, similar to say CPAN in format, with

RE: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Andrew Hoying
Andrew, Good question. I think that is a good idea. Rick started doing this very thing for David's Oxygen packages, but he was unable to keep up with David's production. Thank you. Does anyone have a better idea? If there are no objections, text files in the format specified below should

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Jack Coates
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: Jack Coates wrote: Now that would rock :-) especially if one could simply snarf/apkg the packages into place from sourceforge.net. Major potential for security risk, but there are ways to work it out. Couldn't one use scp to copy from

RE: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
Andrew Hoying, 2001-07-18 09:02 -0600 One other question, how are we going to resolve package name disputes, like two different versions of the same package? Should we create an archive subfolder for old versions? Or a glibc2.1 subfolder for the new development work David is doing? Or we could

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, I forgot to mention this. When creating new sub directories in the packages tree, set the ownership to yourname.leaf and the permissions to 2664. Thanks. Mike Noyes, 2001-07-18 07:05 -0700 There is already a packages directory specifically for this purpose. I'd like packages that

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Noyes wrote: Good question. I think that is a good idea. Rick started doing this very thing for David's Oxygen packages, but he was unable to keep up with David's production. Does anyone have a better idea? If there are no objections, text files in the format specified below should

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Noyes wrote: David Douthitt, 2001-07-17 23:34 -0400 Andrew Hoying wrote: We could develop a nice xml/xslt interface to it all that would be easy to parse, sort and categorize. It makes a lot of sense, but would require updating a lot of old packages to include the .desc file.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
David Douthitt, 2001-07-18 11:54 -0400 Mike Noyes wrote: Good question. I think that is a good idea. Rick started doing this very thing for David's Oxygen packages, but he was unable to keep up with David's production. Does anyone have a better idea? If there are no objections, text

Re: Subjects (was Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb))

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-07-18 10:44 -0700 grumble... content... grumble... subject... grumble... price of matzoh balls in china... asleep at the keyboard... [... discussion of helpfile formats omitted ...] ;) Jeff, Thanks for the first chuckle of the day. :) I gather we should change the

RE: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-18 Thread Andrew Hoying
Forgot about the line wrapping of e-mail, and also cleaned up a few things I saw right as I hit send... That script should read: #!/bin/sh cd $PACKAGES for i in *.lrp do tar xzf $i var/lib/lrpkg cd var/lib/lrpkg rootpkg=`echo $i|sed 's/.lrp//'` [ -f $rootpkg.version ] mv $rootpkg.help \

Site backup/mirror (was: Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb))

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Noyes
Subject changed to: Site backup/mirror Dale Long, 2001-07-19 10:20 +0930 On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: I'm working on a mirroring solution, but I haven't completed it yet. I listed the areas that would need to be duplicated for a mirror. The current storage requirements are

[Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread David Douthitt
With the addition of tcpserver and tcprules to the ever growing list of packages, I went and looked at their licensing (always of interest). I was dismayed to find out it was under the same licensing as the other djb tools (I didn't realize that these were one of them). According to his page

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Scott C. Best
David: Ug. DJB is a bright guy, and I'm a big fan of qmail, but...he's apparently at war with RedHat (and other major distro's) who I guess have slighted him by not incorporating his stuff into their releases under his terms. From what I could pull out of his FAQ page for

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Has anyone contacted DJB? He may be willing to make an exception for the LEAF project, or even create packages himself. E-mails I sent regarding his licensing for djbdns went unanswered. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror)

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Jacques Nilo
Le Mardi 17 Juillet 2001 16:18, vous avez écrit : David: Ug. DJB is a bright guy, and I'm a big fan of qmail, but...he's apparently at war with RedHat (and other major distro's) who I guess have slighted him by not incorporating his stuff into their releases under his terms.

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Noyes wrote: Andrew Hoying, 2001-07-17 08:36 -0600 I guess by making these packages available for download, the LEAF project's various LRP variants are technically a distribution. We don't, however, have anyone at the present time auditing the variety of packages now available for LRP

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread David Douthitt
Andrew Hoying wrote: I guess by making these packages available for download, the LEAF project's various LRP variants are technically a distribution. LEAF, in my mind, consists of two distributions - or at least, sponsors them - Eigerstein and Oxygen. However as more people begin using

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Andrew Hoying
David Douthitt wrote: Andrew Hoying wrote: I guess by making these packages available for download, the LEAF project's various LRP variants are technically a distribution. LEAF, in my mind, consists of two distributions - or at least, sponsors them - Eigerstein and Oxygen. I agree,

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread David Douthitt
Andrew Hoying wrote: David Douthitt wrote: LEAF, in my mind, consists of two distributions - or at least, sponsors them - Eigerstein and Oxygen. I agree, but both have the same foundation, so I think of them more like sub distributions, like how Mandrakesoft has the standard Mandrake,

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Jack Coates
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: With the addition of tcpserver and tcprules to the ever growing list of packages, I went and looked at their licensing (always of interest). I was dismayed to find out it was under the same licensing as the other djb tools (I didn't realize that

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Dale Long
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: Perhaps LEAF can adopt the Debian classification system (free and non-free, etc.) and classify packages that way? I would be interested in seeing an LRP package repositry, similar to say CPAN in format, with version information and so on. At the

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread David Douthitt
Dale Long wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: Perhaps LEAF can adopt the Debian classification system (free and non-free, etc.) and classify packages that way? I would be interested in seeing an LRP package repositry, similar to say CPAN in format, with version

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Dale Long
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: I suggested (earlier) that we use a pkg.desc file with tags. It could contain all SORTS of things, and becomes extensible in a scary sort of way. All sorts of descriptions could be in there: * version * full package name * packager * compiler

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread David Douthitt
Jack Coates wrote: Now that would rock :-) especially if one could simply snarf/apkg the packages into place from sourceforge.net. Major potential for security risk, but there are ways to work it out. Couldn't one use scp to copy from SourceForge to the local LEAF box? Might require full

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Andrew Hoying
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: I suggested (earlier) that we use a pkg.desc file with tags. It could contain all SORTS of things, and becomes extensible in a scary sort of way. All sorts of descriptions could be in there: * version * full package name * packager *

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread David Douthitt
Andrew Hoying wrote: We could develop a nice xml/xslt interface to it all that would be easy to parse, sort and categorize. It makes a lot of sense, but would require updating a lot of old packages to include the .desc file. That wouldn't take that much. I've recompiled almost everything at

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread Dale Long
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: That wouldn't take that much. I've recompiled almost everything at least once. Next step is to create a LRP directory which contains everything, including options used to compile, etc. Then a diff file would be created, so that a generic package