Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Matt Schalit
Lynn Avants wrote: My line of thought to modifying the existing packages would be to add two text files: 1) A file that includes all variable names used with the package _except_ base variables that should already exist (ip addresses and the like) 2) A file that listed depedancies for the pac

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Lynn Avants
On Saturday 01 February 2003 12:15 pm, you wrote: > Sounds like a decent solution to me. It might also tie in nicely with a > more advanced packaging system. I was looking at using text-based > flat-file databases to keep track of package information...the same > database "routines" (mostly in s

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Lynn Avants
On Sunday 02 February 2003 01:48 pm, you wrote: > Greg Morgan wrote: > > One of the things I had not designed but thought about was variables. So > > here's a possible definition in XML. > > XML. That's where I remember this whole idea coming to > a halt a year or so ago, when somebody suggesting

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Erich Titl
Hi Folks too many posts and too many good ideas to reply to. Bear with me if I throw in my $ 0.02 I belive any fat configuration system which we'd introduce here will change the lean and mean machine aspect all LEAF variants have in common. IMHO this rules out Perl, Java and SAX (sorry :-(

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Matt Schalit
The config-db is only itself. The templating system is used to transform the "abstract" values in the config-db to the format of each package. Ok thanks for explaining how the template system is used here. Now why is that more useful than just modifying each packages conf files to use stan

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Matt Schalit
Greg Morgan wrote: One of the things I had not designed but thought about was variables. So here's a possible definition in XML. XML. That's where I remember this whole idea coming to a halt a year or so ago, when somebody suggesting using this and I and a couple of other people said, "yikes

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Mike Noyes wrote: On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 10:54, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: To avoid re-inventing the wheel, I would suggest an RDB format database system, which is built out of plain ascii text files, and manipulated with small programs via shell scripts. Something like rdb (perl) or nosql (s

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-02 Thread Greg Morgan
One of the things I had not designed but thought about was variables. So here's a possible definition in XML. Whereas GMLEAF would define specifics to a distr

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Chad Carr
On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 14:46:10 -0800 "Matt Schalit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Chad Carr wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:16:10 +0100 > > > > 1) a centralized configuration "database" and "api" for adding and > > removing system configuration parameters, > > > When using a centralized c

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Greg Morgan
Back in March 18, 2002 I looked at a different approach from the weblet configuration. The date reflects the date of a Visio diagram I drew of my concept. (It was version four of Visio before Microsoft bought them and I wasn't dual booting into Linux at home at the time.) Anyhow, the concept

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Matt Schalit
Chad Carr wrote: On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:16:10 +0100 1) a centralized configuration "database" and "api" for adding and removing system configuration parameters, When using a centralized config-db (a good idea), how do we deal with a new release of a program, let's say ntpdate? a. Do we

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Lynn Avants wrote: > > I see either this concept can be embraced or ridiculed, but if you don't > see it as necessary in the future you plainly haven't followed the desires > on list for the last year or two. Packetfilter, apkg (Oxygen), LINCE, > Mosquito, and individual systems are proof that

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Matt Schalit
Jaime Nebrera Herrera wrote: ... but in such case you would need to add some editor capable of uncompressing on the fly JEdit --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! ht

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Chad Carr
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:16:10 +0100 "Jaime Nebrera Herrera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been following the discussion about the need for a > "graphical" system to configure LEAF systems. As it has been already > commented, one of the daunting tasks is to be able to work

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Lynn Avants
Well, I see this discussion going exactly the way it previously was >6 months ago when we ended up in agreement of the situation. These are still interesting arguements, but still re-hash. IIRC, I believe Charles and I (at a minimum) are still following the same line of thought. It might make it

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Jaime Nebrera Herrera
Hi Eric and List, > How large is the E-Smith (scripts Suite) and what does it need (perl ? ) I dont know how big E-Smith suite is as there are many other things involved. Their system is more complex than described (the files are build gluing toguether files in a directoy and other stuff).

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 10:54, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > To avoid re-inventing the wheel, I would suggest an RDB format database > system, which is built out of plain ascii text files, and manipulated > with small programs via shell scripts. Something like rdb (perl) or > nosql (shell & awk):

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Lynn Avants wrote: This is exactly what I have had in mind. I'm still working on the database/variable file for my own testing. The only problem with this idea is that it modifies existing packages (substution variables), but it nullifies the need to generate all the needed conf files saving t

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Jaime Nebrera Herrera
Hi Lynn and others: > This is exactly what I have had in mind. I'm still working on the > database/variable file for my own testing. The only problem with this > idea is that it modifies existing packages (substution variables), No it doesnt. Standard config files can be kept as they are

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Eric Wolzak
Hello Jaime , List > Hi all, > > I have been following the discussion about the need for a "graphical" system > to configure LEAF systems. As it has been already commented, one of the > daunting tasks is to be able to work through the easy system and keep the > power of direct editing. A

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Forgot to reply-all... :-/ Original Message Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration] Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:15:15 -0600 From: Charles Steinkuehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jaime Nebrera Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Lynn Avants
On Saturday 01 February 2003 05:16 am, you wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been following the discussion about the need for a "graphical" > system to configure LEAF systems. As it has been already commented, one of > the daunting tasks is to be able to work through the easy system and keep > the po

[leaf-devel] Template system [was Webconfiguration]

2003-02-01 Thread Jaime Nebrera Herrera
Hi all, I have been following the discussion about the need for a "graphical" system to configure LEAF systems. As it has been already commented, one of the daunting tasks is to be able to work through the easy system and keep the power of direct editing. We faced that question some time