Re: [LEAPSECS] Public Law No: 110-69

2007-08-10 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Tom Van Baak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : > Tom's domain name now represents a legally recognized entity, and I : > was wondering if he's going to invite us all to a party to celebrate : > its new status 8-) : : Does that mean I now have to give up my

Re: [LEAPSECS] Public Law No: 110-69

2007-08-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
Tom's domain name now represents a legally recognized entity, and I was wondering if he's going to invite us all to a party to celebrate its new status 8-) Does that mean I now have to give up my hedge domain, www.leaphour.com? /tvb http://www.leapsecond.com/ _

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Peter Vince
> Actually, what the thread shows is that changing the clocks twice a > year is utterly brain-damaged and a colossal waste of time. I absolutely second that! Peter Vince ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman

[LEAPSECS] Public Law No: 110-69

2007-08-10 Thread Steve Allen
Thomas has the news now at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h2272: Public Law No: 110-69 On Fri 2007-08-10T11:19:45 -0700, Tom Van Baak hath writ: > So when these various governments update their laws to > specify UTC rather than GMT as the basis of civil time, I > assume this is also

Re: [LEAPSECS] the presidential pen hath writ

2007-08-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
So when these various governments update their laws to specify UTC rather than GMT as the basis of civil time, I assume this is also an indirect acceptance of HH:23:60 local time as a now legal time-stamp? Related to that - does anyone have an original copy of an email header with xx:23:60 in it?

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Rob Seaman wrote: > > This thread is an excellent demonstration of why civil timekeeping > legislation should reference an unambiguous natural phenomenon like > "mean solar time" :–) Actually, what the thread shows is that changing the clocks twice a year is utterly brain-dama

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Rob Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:12:00 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Aug 10, 2007, at 3:15 AM, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > > > The EU does translations, but each national government transposes the >

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Rob Seaman
On Aug 10, 2007, at 3:15 AM, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: The EU does translations, but each national government transposes the Directive into its own legislative system. This thread is an excellent demonstration of why civil timekeeping legislation should reference an unambiguous natural pheno

Re: [LEAPSECS] the presidential pen hath writ

2007-08-10 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Watch these spaces : http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h2272: : http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2272 : for according to Jonathan Hardis as soon as they catch up on their : paperwork t

Re: [LEAPSECS] the presidential pen hath writ

2007-08-10 Thread Steve Allen
On Fri 2007-08-10T07:00:23 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ: > and at the same time watch the POSIX clock diverge from the legal clock. Oh, my bad. I really do prefer to stick with the nomenclature espoused by Stoyko when in charge of the BIH. I mean watch the chronometers diverge. The clocks will s

[LEAPSECS] the presidential pen hath writ

2007-08-10 Thread Steve Allen
Watch these spaces http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h2272: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2272 for according to Jonathan Hardis as soon as they catch up on their paperwork they'll note that the US has joined the UTC club. Get ready to party. By strict interpretatio

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
David Malone said: >> From 2002 onwards, the summer-time period shall begin, in every Member >> State, at 1.00 a.m., Greenwich Mean Time, on the last Sunday in March. > > I think I remember discussing this with Poul-Henning before. The > English version of the directive only says when summ

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread David Malone
> From 2002 onwards, the summer-time period shall begin, in every Member > State, at 1.00 a.m., Greenwich Mean Time, on the last Sunday in March. I think I remember discussing this with Poul-Henning before. The English version of the directive only says when summer-time begins and ends on

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Guan Yang said: > Is it true that the national government prepare translations of EU > documents? I thought this was the responsibility of the EU itself: The EU does translations, but each national government transposes the Directive into its own legislative system. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Wor

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "SJ Kissane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:00:26 +1000 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 10/08/07, Clive D.W. Feather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Magnus Danielson said: > > >> However, there isn't a problem: Sweden

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread SJ Kissane
On 10/08/07, Clive D.W. Feather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Magnus Danielson said: > >> However, there isn't a problem: Sweden switches from UTC+1 to UTC+2 at > >> 01:00:00 GMT (which is somewhere between 01:59:59 and 02:01:01 local time). > > You are even missing the point. It was also prepared b

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Guan Yang
Clive D.W. Feather wrote: You are even missing the point. It was also prepared by the Swedish Govrement, and I think they had their law-text written up as they wished it to be. Is it true that the national government prepare translations of EU documents? I thought this was the responsibility o

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Magnus Danielson said: >> However, there isn't a problem: Sweden switches from UTC+1 to UTC+2 at >> 01:00:00 GMT (which is somewhere between 01:59:59 and 02:01:01 local time). > You are even missing the point. It was also prepared by the Swedish Govrement, > and I think they had their law-text writ

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Clive D.W. Feather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:50:23 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Magnus Danielson said: > > But the summertime law which was created to fullfill the Swedish translation > > of the EU direct

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Magnus Danielson said: > But the summertime law which was created to fullfill the Swedish translation > of the EU directive on summertime says swedish normal time + 1h, which gives > UTC + 2h for summertime and UTC + 1h for normaltime. What the translators in > Brussles says has nothing to do with

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:20:45 + Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writ > es: > > >> Denmark uses "mean solar time on the 15th eastern > >> l

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Magnus Danielson writ es: >> Denmark uses "mean solar time on the 15th eastern >> longitude" and Sweden uses GMT (!). > >No, Sweden uses UTC + 1h. It is clearly defined in the law from 1979. But the EU directive about summertime says GMT :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:49:55 + Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning, > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Allen writes: > > >The committee did not affect the change from mean so

Re: [LEAPSECS] one signature brings UTC to US

2007-08-10 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Poul-Henning Kamp said: >> If Bush signs, then the US joins France, Germany, the EU, Australia, >> and the rest on the list of countries whose legal time is UTC. > EU is not a "country" and quite a state of confusion reigns with > respect to UTC. Denmark uses "mean solar time on the 15th eastern >