John Cowan wrote:
What has the Moon to do with it? The connection of the Moon to the
calendar was lost in Julius Caesar's time -- doubtless to great
howling
by the astro{nom,log}ical community.
...and around we go again. This was my shorthand way of referring to
all the issues associate
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:23:36PM -0700, Rob Seaman wrote:
> Adi Stav wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 04:13:25PM +, Tony Finch wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with your requirements 2,3,4 and I note that UTC doesn't
>>> satisfy
>>> 3, which is another statement of this timeless predictability
>
Rob Seaman scripsit:
> But you're right - I see the light! I now acknowledge that it is more
> important to kowtow to international standards - standards that you
> loudly blare are badly conceived and written - than to acknowledge
> minor facts of physical reality such as that Earth has a
Recall that the U.S. has just been through a two year ordeal of an
election in which the technique you just demonstrated of setting up a
strawman opponent, just to knock it down, has been a daily
occurrence. I've never asserted any position even vaguely similar to
what you say.
Meanwhile
On Wed 2008-11-12T01:12:58 +, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ:
> The most important requirement is obviously that the proposed
> change, can possibly be made to happen.
The operational systems will not notice if the name of the
broadcast/internet time scale changes. The operational systems will
w
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes:
>Continue compiling a coherent, complete and self-consistent set of
>requirements and we can get around to testing the various options.
The most important requirement is obviously that the proposed
change, can possibly be made to happen.
Usi
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes:
>But more importantly, they put their lives, unaware of this fact,
>in hands of automatic systems, which work on the mistaken POSIX
>interpretation of the UTC timescale.
I should add, that the legal impact of POSIX seems to be vastly
un
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
No, actually the word I am looking for is intelligence, and I think
central to both the problem and the solution.
There are only so much nitty-gritty detail a brain can retain and
recall at relevant moments, and the scientific consensus is that
it correlates very strong
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Thorpe writes:
>On 2008-11-11 22:03:44, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>>I don't care how many new timescales you want to invent for people
>>with Phd after their names, the only timescale that matters to
>>99....% of this planets population is UTC, and that i
On 2008-11-11 22:03:44, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>I don't care how many new timescales you want to invent for people
>with Phd after their names, the only timescale that matters to
>99....% of this planets population is UTC, and that is the one
>we have to find a workable solution for leapsecon
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes:
>Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ:
>
>> The limited human intelligence.
>
>I think the word you are looking for is innocence or naivete or
>perhaps simple ignorance, not "limited intelligence".
No, actually the word I am looking for is intelligence,
Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ:
The limited human intelligence.
I think the word you are looking for is innocence or naivete or
perhaps simple ignorance, not "limited intelligence". The technical
laity manage to navigate quite complex aspects of society, presuming
the details haven't been
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Allen writes:
>But Denmark performed an interesting substitution
>http://www.gkcaracas.um.dk/da/menu/Eksportraadgivning/Markedsmuligheder/Landeinformation/Time/
>
>Whereas I'll admit this is likely one aspect of limited human
>cognition -- the failure to recog
On Tue 2008-11-11T09:17:21 +, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ:
> The limited human intelligence.
I agree with the point, but I might qualify it better, as with the
tsunami response, to say: limited cognition of any given set of
individuals at any given point in their development, not an inhe
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony F
inch writes:
>> As we saw a couple of years ago, the 400 year leap-year role is slightly
>> above the level of complexity humans can deal with, a significant
>> fraction of "people who should have known" didn't.
>
>I did think of that, but we've just been dis
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Rob Seaman wrote:
> Tony Finch wrote:
>
> > While we are taking a historical view of calendars, it's probably worth
> > observing how past problems similar to the current situation have been
> > resolved. UTC is an observational calendar, and over history these have
> > almost
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
> There is one requirement you do not seem to even think about, much less
> mention:
>
> The limited human intelligence.
>
> As we saw a couple of years ago, the 400 year leap-year role is slightly
> above the level of complexity humans can deal
There is one requirement you do not seem to even think about, much less
mention:
The limited human intelligence.
As we saw a couple of years ago, the 400 year leap-year role is slightly
above the level of complexity humans can deal with, a significant
fraction of "people who should have
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Bunclark writes:
>
> >> Couldn't the opposite argument be made: The majority of users don't care
> >> a hoot about time (ref: flashing 12:00 everywhere) and therefore the
> >
> >Don't be ridiculous, everybody
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Bunclark writes:
>> Couldn't the opposite argument be made: The majority of users don't care
>> a hoot about time (ref: flashing 12:00 everywhere) and therefore the
>
>Don't be ridiculous, everybody cares about missing a bus or a favourite TV
>show.
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