Re: [LEAPSECS] What's the point?

2011-02-11 Thread Rob Seaman
On Feb 11, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > See for example > http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/leapsecs/2011-January/002124.html > where Rob Seaman wrote "Civil timekeeping is cumulative. Tiny mistakes > posing the problem will result in large and growing permanent errors." Great to see fol

Re: [LEAPSECS] Nit-pick: SI second

2011-02-11 Thread Warner Losh
On 02/10/2011 22:31, Tom Van Baak wrote: Correcting only for elevation above the geoid I fully expect a cesium standard to keep the same time in Fairbanks as it would in Boulder or Paris, etc. Am I missing something? Should I start planning a new clock trip? I don't know if your clock would sur

Re: [LEAPSECS] What's the point?

2011-02-11 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Mark Calabretta wrote: > > It's been a while... Can you remind me why we will need to continue > to pretend that there are 86400 SI seconds in a day, past the time > when there are actually 86401 (or more)? At 2.5ms/cy that'll be in 40,000 years. I hope you don't mind if I th

Re: [LEAPSECS] What's the point?

2011-02-11 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Ian Batten said: > And people routinely live in places where solar time is several hours adrift > from civil time --- Brest, France for example is four degrees west of > Greenwich, yet in the summer is on UTC+2 --- so at noon civil time it is 0945 > solar time. Parts of (mainland) Spain are eve

Re: [LEAPSECS] What's the point?

2011-02-11 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Mark Calabretta wrote: > On Thu 2011/02/10 10:43:40 -, Tony Finch wrote > > > >Also, the "quadratic catastrophe" argument is usually used in support of > >UTC. > > Really? Can you provide references for that. See for example http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/leapsecs/2011

Re: [LEAPSECS] What's the point?

2011-02-11 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Mark Calabretta said: >> The speculation on the list is that in the absence of a central >> authority, local governments will act as their people request when it is >> staying dark too late and parents can't get their kids to bed with the >> sun still shining, or have to drive to work in the dar

Re: [LEAPSECS] one second tolerance

2011-02-11 Thread Tony Finch
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, Michael Deckers wrote: > >Which evidently wasn't worth it. I've heard objections against >the notation on the grounds that letter suffixes like A and B >are used in the military, where they denote fixed time zones >(Alpha for UTC + 1 h, Bravo for UTC + 2 h, ...)

[LEAPSECS] Closing the rift

2011-02-11 Thread Rob Seaman
On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Paul Sheer wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 21:31 -0800, Tom Van Baak wrote: >> > >> I know we're getting a bit far from the OP or from leap seconds, > > You don't say "The medium is the message" and "there is another system": http://leapsecond.com/time-nuts

Re: [LEAPSECS] Nit-pick: SI second

2011-02-11 Thread Paul Sheer
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 21:31 -0800, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Magnus & Mark & Rob, > > I know we're getting a bit far from the OP or from leap seconds, You don't say -paul ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/l