Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second on analog watch

2012-01-25 Thread Nero Imhard
Tom Van Baak wrote: How about making the second hand variable length. Have it grow like Pinocchio's nose during a positive leap second. Although I really like the nose, the jumps are ugly. What about an adaptive dial made of rubber sheet with a slit at the 12 o'clock position. There, the two

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second on analog watch

2012-01-25 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Rob Seaman said: Exactly. The search space is a lot larger than explored so far. Consider a leap second modification to the Chronophage for instance: http://www.wired.com/culture/design/magazine/17-02/st_chronophage Bear in mind that this is a clock that only shows the correct time

Re: [LEAPSECS] Multi-timezone meetings

2012-01-25 Thread Tony Finch
Rob Seaman sea...@noao.edu wrote: The way to deal with multi-location metings is to choose a primary location, then it it obvious what will happen when TZ rules change. Interesting. Immediately after that I said: Whatever our individual positions on the issues, they will be better

Re: [LEAPSECS] Multi-timezone meetings

2012-01-25 Thread Gerard Ashton
On 1/25/2012 8:40 AM, Tony Finch explained it would be desirable to store information about events that are to be observed in local civil time as a local time and a location, so that the time zone could be looked up close to the time of the event, and thereby avoid reliance on stale time zone

Re: [LEAPSECS] Multi-timezone meetings

2012-01-25 Thread Tony Finch
Gerard Ashton ashto...@comcast.net wrote: This suggest a desire for an algorithm that accepts as input a latitude and longitude of a point of interest, and a set of boundaries, and determines which of the regions the point of interest falls in. Does anyone know of such an algorithm? I

Re: [LEAPSECS] Lets get REAL about time.

2012-01-25 Thread Tony Finch
Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: And again, this is an example of what I meant by a collection of best practices documents. I think it is much better for the community to document the idea of smoothed leap seconds and then describe the dozen ways it has been proposed or actually

Re: [LEAPSECS] Lets get REAL about time.

2012-01-25 Thread Rob Seaman
Tony Finch wrote: There's also the railway clock genre, where each clock's second hand ticks or sweeps slightly fast, and the clock waits at the top of the minute for a synchronization pulse. Handles leap seconds easily, if the master clock does :-)

Re: [LEAPSECS] real time ?

2012-01-25 Thread Zefram
Rob Seaman wrote: Might I suggest that real is a poor descriptor here (no philosophy intended)? linear. -zefram ___ LEAPSECS mailing list LEAPSECS@leapsecond.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/leapsecs

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second on analog watch

2012-01-25 Thread Zefram
Tom Van Baak wrote: How about making the second hand variable length. If we're going for cartoonish variability of the clock face structure, I'd rather have the seconds marks on the dial move, gradually changing the number of seconds around the dial from 60 to 61, while the second hand sticks at

Re: [LEAPSECS] real time ?

2012-01-25 Thread Rob Seaman
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The name refers to the data type. Indeed, but real time already means something completely different in computing. I had a boss who named a server data (after the Star Trek character). The resulting confusion was monumental. The data type is more properly termed

Re: [LEAPSECS] real time ?

2012-01-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 43238110-5070-4223-a687-abb760759...@noao.edu, Rob Seaman writes: Indeed, but real time already means something completely different in computing. I had a boss who named a server data (after the Star Trek character). The resulting confusion was monumental. If you really want fun,

Re: [LEAPSECS] real time ?

2012-01-25 Thread Rob Seaman
Damn! Yet another joke I'll never be able to explain to my family. On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Steve Allen wrote: On Wed 2012-01-25T18:48:28 +, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ: I really don't think the name is as important as the semantics. Stop the presses! We should forward this to

Re: [LEAPSECS] real time ?

2012-01-25 Thread Warner Losh
On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 43238110-5070-4223-a687-abb760759...@noao.edu, Rob Seaman writes: Indeed, but real time already means something completely different in computing. I had a boss who named a server data (after the Star Trek character). The

Re: [LEAPSECS] Multi-timezone meetings

2012-01-25 Thread Rob Seaman
Tony Finch wrote: You'll have to explain why you think videoconferencing breaks the Olson timezone database to me, because I don't get it. I don't recall saying any such thing. The original reply was to this comment from Daniel R. Tobias: Usually such events are only fixed relative to

Re: [LEAPSECS] Lets get REAL about time.

2012-01-25 Thread Michael Sokolov
Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: Have there really been that many? Any refs to ones other than Markus's and Google's? There is also my UTR scheme: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/timekeeping/draft-utrspec.txt http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/timekeeping/draft-utrdef.txt MS

Re: [LEAPSECS] Multi-timezone meetings

2012-01-25 Thread Tony Finch
On 25 Jan 2012, at 19:05, Rob Seaman sea...@noao.edu wrote: Tony Finch wrote: You'll have to explain why you think videoconferencing breaks the Olson timezone database to me, because I don't get it. I don't recall saying any such thing. I said: Displaying the time correctly for

Re: [LEAPSECS] Multi-timezone meetings

2012-01-25 Thread Rob Seaman
Ian Batten wrote: You've imposed the additional requirement that you can't have a primary timezone, for political reasons. Requirements are discovered, not imposed. That's not an engineering requirement, or at least, it's a constraint more easily solved by sacking people than dreaming up

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second on analog watch

2012-01-25 Thread Rob Seaman
Just to expand on this rather obscure exchange, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Clock : 'The clock is entirely accurate only once every five minutes. The rest of the time, the pendulum may seem to catch or stop, and the lights may lag or, then, race to get ahead. According to

Re: [LEAPSECS] Rubber seconds

2012-01-25 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:05, Michael Sokolov wrote: I vigorously advocate only the general idea of rubberization. The exact mode of rubberization is up to each individual implementor in practice. Why do we even try coordinating our clock-ticking if that's okay? Alice and Bob may choose two

[LEAPSECS] ITU-R video of RA session

2012-01-25 Thread Steve Allen
Rob Seaman found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2UqYW9SEs -- Steve Allen s...@ucolick.orgWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015

Re: [LEAPSECS] ITU-R video of RA session

2012-01-25 Thread Rob Seaman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2UqYW9SEs The pertinent phraseology: We return this draft revision of recommendation four-six-zero to Study Group 7 for further work leading to the development of a continuous standard taking into account all technical options that may be available and

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second on analog watch

2012-01-25 Thread Tony Finch
On 25 Jan 2012, at 21:29, Rob Seaman sea...@noao.edu wrote: Just to expand on this rather obscure exchange, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Clock : 'The clock is entirely accurate only once every five minutes. The rest of the time, the pendulum may seem to catch or stop, and

Re: [LEAPSECS] Rubber seconds

2012-01-25 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 06:54, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com wrote: On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:05, Michael Sokolov wrote: I vigorously advocate only the general idea of rubberization. The exact mode of rubberization is up to each individual implementor in practice. Why do we even

Re: [LEAPSECS] Lets get REAL about time.

2012-01-25 Thread Paul J. Ste. Marie
On 1/21/2012 4:44 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I think it is important that the unit of the representation is a second rather than a day, simply because most of the stuff computers do are in the second domain, not in the day domain. (See code example above) There's a lot of business