On 9 Jul 2012, at 18:30, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
DST also exploits the vast tolerance humans have for where the sun is in the
sky when they eat.
DST exists because people care more about the time of sunrise than the time of
noon.
Tony.
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On 9 Jul 2012, at 19:07, Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote:
(2) Push for a relaxation of DUT1 1s so we could reach a 10 year time
horizon, or possibly beyond.
The difficulty with this is that it breaks several standard time sync
protocols, including MSF and the telephone time protocol. But
In message 277995ca-44d0-4b43-8cba-d8f87fe02...@dotat.at, Tony Finch writes:
On 9 Jul 2012, at 18:30, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
DST exists because people care more about the time of sunrise than the time of
noon.
Sunset actually, but yes.
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Michael Spacefalcon said:
But with the latter approach, those
citizens who happen to be on the wrong side will have their fundamental
human rights violated by being subjected to a delta between true MST
and civil time than exceeds 30 min,
If you think that this is a fundamental human
Rob Seaman said:
The issue (discussed many times previously) is to avoid introducing a secular
trend into UTC.
And, as also discussed, you have yet to show that the woman on the Clapham
omnibus even cares.
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On 9 Jul 2012 at 14:31, Warner Losh wrote:
First, the current right database can't be updated in place:
you have to restart.
M$ Windows people are used to constantly having to restart their
systems at the most trivial updates... *Nix folks are spoiled!
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On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
Rob Seaman said:
The issue (discussed many times previously) is to avoid introducing a
secular trend into UTC.
And, as also discussed, you have yet to show that the woman on the Clapham
omnibus even cares.
Wikipedia gives context
On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
On 9 Jul 2012 at 14:31, Warner Losh wrote:
First, the current right database can't be updated in place:
you have to restart.
M$ Windows people are used to constantly having to restart
On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Rob Seaman wrote:
On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
On 9 Jul 2012 at 14:31, Warner Losh wrote:
First, the current right database can't be updated in place:
you have to restart.
M$
On 9 Jul, 2012, at 18:35 , Zefram wrote:
Dennis Ferguson wrote:
While NTP-on-the-wire might replay the :59:59 timestamps over you can
disambiguate which of these you are getting by noting that timestamps from
the first time through :59:59 will have the leap second warning set while
the
Warner,
Your message seems snarkier (more cranky, irritable) than mine. You
speculate on what I do or don't understand, and on what I am or am not doing.
All of these are irrelevant. I'm a big fan of FreeBSD and PHK's MD5 password
hashing, but still disagree with his position on leap
On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Rob Seaman wrote:
Your message seems snarkier (more cranky, irritable) than mine. You
speculate on what I do or don't understand, and on what I am or am not doing.
All of these are irrelevant. I'm a big fan of FreeBSD and PHK's MD5
password hashing, but
On Sun 2012-07-08T08:24:35 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ:
I did not hold a leap second party, but Skip did.
http://www.the-signal.com/section/36/article/69087/
Here's an edited video of the party.
http://youtu.be/CaOpGrs0x_U
The time nuts should note how the different clocks indicated the
On 10 Jul 2012 at 8:38, Warner Losh wrote:
You really don't understand the depth of the leap second issue in
software. If it were that easy, it would have actually been
solved. People just don't care, and that's the problem.
Actually, from what I've seen and heard about this year's crop of
And, as also discussed, you have yet to show that the woman on the Clapham
omnibus even cares.
Why is it that those who object to a proposal have to do the leg work of showing
someone cares, not the ones advocating a change?
Shall we take a poll 'UN bureaucrats are proposing changeing clocks
Dan wrote:
It's only when you actually attempt to get the system to account for
the leap second immediately and precisely when it happens that you
end up having to code in something convoluted that only runs every
couple of years, with all the potential to screw it up and cause a
major
Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote:
Actually, from what I've seen and heard about this year's crop of
bugs, server crashes, etc., relating to the leap second, the big
problems come when the developers know and care just enough to be
dangerous.
Yup.
If you take the total dumbass
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