Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
> Actually, from what I've seen and heard about this year's crop of
> bugs, server crashes, etc., relating to the leap second, the big
> problems come when the developers know and care just enough to be
> dangerous.
Yup.
> If you take the total dumbass approach to lea
Dan wrote:
> It's only when you actually attempt to get the system to account for
> the leap second immediately and precisely when it happens that you
> end up having to code in something convoluted that only runs every
> couple of years, with all the potential to screw it up and cause a
> majo
And, as also discussed, you have yet to show that the woman on the Clapham
omnibus even cares.
Why is it that those who object to a proposal have to do the leg work of showing
someone cares, not the ones advocating a change?
Shall we take a poll 'UN bureaucrats are proposing changeing clocks
On 10 Jul 2012 at 8:38, Warner Losh wrote:
> You really don't understand the depth of the leap second issue in
> software. If it were that easy, it would have actually been
> solved. People just don't care, and that's the problem.
Actually, from what I've seen and heard about this year's crop
On Sun 2012-07-08T08:24:35 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ:
> I did not hold a leap second party, but Skip did.
> http://www.the-signal.com/section/36/article/69087/
Here's an edited video of the party.
http://youtu.be/CaOpGrs0x_U
The time nuts should note how the different clocks indicated the lea
On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Rob Seaman wrote:
> Your message seems snarkier (more "cranky, irritable") than mine. You
> speculate on what I do or don't understand, and on what I am or am not doing.
> All of these are irrelevant. I'm a big fan of FreeBSD and PHK's MD5
> password hashing, bu
Warner,
Your message seems snarkier (more "cranky, irritable") than mine. You
speculate on what I do or don't understand, and on what I am or am not doing.
All of these are irrelevant. I'm a big fan of FreeBSD and PHK's MD5 password
hashing, but still disagree with his position on leap secon
On 9 Jul, 2012, at 18:35 , Zefram wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson wrote:
>> While NTP-on-the-wire might replay the :59:59 timestamps over you can
>> disambiguate which of these you are getting by noting that timestamps from
>> the first time through :59:59 will have the leap second warning set while
>>
On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Rob Seaman wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
>>
>>> On 9 Jul 2012 at 14:31, Warner Losh wrote:
>>>
First, the current "right" database can't be updated in place:
you have to
On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
>
>> On 9 Jul 2012 at 14:31, Warner Losh wrote:
>>
>>> First, the current "right" database can't be updated in place:
>>> you have to restart.
>>
>> M$ Windows people are used to constantly ha
On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
> Rob Seaman said:
>> The issue (discussed many times previously) is to avoid introducing a
>> secular trend into UTC.
>
> And, as also discussed, you have yet to show that the woman on the Clapham
> omnibus even cares.
Wikipedia gives c
On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
> On 9 Jul 2012 at 14:31, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>> First, the current "right" database can't be updated in place:
>> you have to restart.
>
> M$ Windows people are used to constantly having to restart their
> systems at the most trivial updat
On 9 Jul 2012 at 14:31, Warner Losh wrote:
> First, the current "right" database can't be updated in place:
> you have to restart.
M$ Windows people are used to constantly having to restart their
systems at the most trivial updates... *Nix folks are spoiled!
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Rob Seaman said:
> The issue (discussed many times previously) is to avoid introducing a secular
> trend into UTC.
And, as also discussed, you have yet to show that the woman on the Clapham
omnibus even cares.
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Michael Spacefalcon said:
> But with the latter approach, those
> citizens who happen to be on the wrong side will have their fundamental
> human rights violated by being subjected to a delta between true MST
> and civil time than exceeds 30 min,
If you think that this is a fundamental hum
In message <277995ca-44d0-4b43-8cba-d8f87fe02...@dotat.at>, Tony Finch writes:
>On 9 Jul 2012, at 18:30, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote:
>DST exists because people care more about the time of sunrise than the time of
>noon.
Sunset actually, but yes.
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On 9 Jul 2012, at 19:07, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> (2) Push for a relaxation of DUT1 < 1s so we could reach a 10 year time
> horizon, or possibly beyond.
The difficulty with this is that it breaks several standard time sync
protocols, including MSF and the telephone time protocol. But not DCF77 w
On 9 Jul 2012, at 18:30, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote:
>
> DST also exploits the vast tolerance humans have for where the sun is in the
> sky when they eat.
DST exists because people care more about the time of sunrise than the time of
noon.
Tony.
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