Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Brooks Harris said: >> ISO 8601 does not represent daylight saving nor time zones. > It can represent both, but incompletely, or ambiguously. The "time > element" called "zone designator" conflates "offset from UTC" and > "Daylight Savings offset" in the "time element" called "zone designator".

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Tony Finch
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > >However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you need to record a > >time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone rules are not > >predictable. > > The main problem here is to get people to give you enough information > in the first place. > > For instan

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Brooks Harris said: > In particular, 8601 implies use of "offset > from UTC", as indication of "local time", but conflates this with > Daylight Savings. No, it doesn't. It uses offset from UTC as an indication of, wait for it, offset from UTC. > For example, a date and time in New York City mi

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Tony Finch
Brooks Harris wrote: > > > > Most explainations, and the spec itself, say that NTP does not account > > > for Leap Seconds, and it does not, *explicitly*. Note, however, that > > > 2272060800 secs / 86400 = 26297 days *exactly*. There were 10 Leap > > > Seconds in effect at 1972-01-01T00:00:00Z (U

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Brooks Harris said: > An organization I work with has been using a web-based meeting > scheduling calendar that gives meeting date-time notifications. > > Recently it has been announcing meetings as, for example - > > "When: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:00 AM-12:30 PM. (UTC-05:00) > Eastern

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-08-28 08:10 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message , Tony F inch writes: However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone rules are not predictable. The main problem here is to get people to give you

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Tony F inch writes: >However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you >need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone >rules are not predictable. The main problem here is to get people to give you enough information in the first place. For insta

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Tony Finch said: > However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you > need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone > rules are not predictable. More precisely, the accuracy of predictions varies. (I'd have a lot of confidence in the 2005 offsets for England. Rather

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Gerard Ashton
Tony Finch wrote > Right, and this is good for many purposes, e.g. recording times of events now or in the past. However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone rules are not predictable. Even better, local time can be u

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Tony Finch
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> > > For example, a date and time in New York City might be represented > >> > > as 2014-07-04T00:00:00-05:00 [...] > >> > > >> > The former is incorrect. > >> > >> Incorrect where? > > > >The UTC offset in New York at that time was not -05:00 so that cannot be a > >t