Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Tony Finch
Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: For example, a date and time in New York City might be represented as 2014-07-04T00:00:00-05:00 [...] The former is incorrect. Incorrect where? The UTC offset in New York at that time was not -05:00 so that cannot be a time in New

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Gerard Ashton
Tony Finch wrote Right, and this is good for many purposes, e.g. recording times of events now or in the past. However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone rules are not predictable. Even better, local time can be

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Tony Finch said: However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone rules are not predictable. More precisely, the accuracy of predictions varies. (I'd have a lot of confidence in the 2005 offsets for England. Rather

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-08-28 08:10 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message alpine.lsu.2.00.1408281021260.23...@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk, Tony F inch writes: However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone rules are not

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Brooks Harris said: An organization I work with has been using a web-based meeting scheduling calendar that gives meeting date-time notifications. Recently it has been announcing meetings as, for example - When: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:00 AM-12:30 PM. (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Brooks Harris said: In particular, 8601 implies use of offset from UTC, as indication of local time, but conflates this with Daylight Savings. No, it doesn't. It uses offset from UTC as an indication of, wait for it, offset from UTC. For example, a date and time in New York City might be

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap second relationship to ISO 8601

2014-08-28 Thread Tony Finch
Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: However for events in the future (meetings etc.) you need to record a time and a place, because the UTC offset and time zone rules are not predictable. The main problem here is to get people to give you enough information in the first place.