Re: [LEAPSECS] Civil timekeeping before 1 January 1972

2015-03-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooks, A couple more comments on your questions. > Many timekeeping systems seem to be designed for only indicating "now" > counting forward, including NTP, POSIX, and PTP, taking short-cuts to > avoid supplying full Leap Second and local-time metadata. I'm not clear why you call that a "shor

[LEAPSECS] UTC fails

2015-03-11 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2015-03-11T11:04:57 -0700, Tom Van Baak hath writ: > The entire purpose of UTC is to provide a single timescale for all > human-related activity. And UTC has failed miserably. POSIX says UTC has no leaps. Google says UTC has occasional days with stretches of seconds which are of varying le

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Rob, Yes, it looks to me like the timestamps you extracted below are all based on a global synchronized atomic time scale and solar time has nothing to do with it. Isn't it cool that all this works just fine, regardless of the current angle of the earth wrt the stars? And it would all continue

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Tom Van Baak said: > Quite correct. Solar time is good for humans. That's why no one except the > United Kingdom can use UTC for their daily activities. Every other nation has > a way to circumvent UTC and use their own local time instead. That will come as a surprise to the inhabitants of Icela

[LEAPSECS] Bio cycles and dueling timescales (was Letters Blogatory)

2015-03-11 Thread Richard Clark
I'm curious about the repeatability of natural biological cycles. I suspect that most of them are actually triggered by external nonbiological cues rather than being 'biological clocks' in our sense of the word clock. Some that come to mind are annual. The swallows at Capistrano (and the buzzards

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Rob Seaman
On Mar 11, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > The entire purpose of UTC is to provide a single timescale for all > human-related activity. Well… ;-) > Received: from barracuda-1.noao.edu … Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:05:10 -0700 > Received: from six.pairlist.net ... Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:05:10 -

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Rob Seaman
Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > > Poul-Henning Kamp said: >> We have a saying in danish "Skoma'r bliv ved din læst" which translates >> to "Cobbler stay at your workbench". > > The English word is "last": "The cobbler should stick to his last". Almost > certainly with the same derivation. If you fi

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Thanks, Kevin, for your interesting biological perspective. I think the two vocal astronomers on the mailing list, Rob and Steve, will be happy to add your conclusive scientific, .edu-validated, biological expertise to their pro- leap second knowledge base. As you know, I am neither pro or con,

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Kevin Birth
Solar time is good for humans, but as everyone on this list knows, solar time is not the same as mean time or UTC. >From a chronobiological perspective, mammals have a small cluster of neurons >at the base of the hypothalamus called the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN). >There are two parts to th

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Poul-Henning Kamp said: > We have a saying in danish "Skoma'r bliv ved din læst" which translates > to "Cobbler stay at your workbench". The English word is "last": "The cobbler should stick to his last". Almost certainly with the same derivation. > The fact that he is a lawyer seems to have noth

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <5500731c.3080...@edlmax.com>, Brooks Harris writes: >Overall he seems to make a good philosophical argument why solar time is >good for humans. But his conclusion seems confused. We have a saying in danish "Skoma'r bliv ved din læst" which translates to "Cobbler stay at your

Re: [LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooks, > Overall he seems to make a good philosophical argument why solar time is > good for humans. But his conclusion seems confused. Quite correct. Solar time is good for humans. That's why no one except the United Kingdom can use UTC for their daily activities. Every other nation has a wa

[LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Steve Allen
Ted Folkman is a lawyer who blogs about international law https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#more-20126 -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99