Re: [LEAPSECS] POSIX Time (was WP7A)

2009-10-13 Thread ashtongj
Steve Allen wrote "In the time scales for TAI, LORAN-C, GPS, and now BST the word "day" already has a meaning more clearly communicated by "atomic day". Is BST British Summer Time? If so, is there some new statute in the UK adopting time offset from UTC rather than offset from the ill-defined GMT?

Re: [LEAPSECS] ITU-R SG7 to consider UTC on October 4

2010-08-05 Thread ashtongj
I observe that the [U.S.] International Telecommunications Advisory Committee is part of the U.S. State department. The part of that committee discussed below is known in full as International Telecommunications Advisory Committee, Radiocommunications sector, Study Group 7: Science services, Wo

Re: [LEAPSECS] ITU-R SG7 to consider UTC on October 4

2010-08-05 Thread ashtongj
; I have also read, although I do not recall exactly where, that the UK Parliament debated changing the law to specify that the basis of time was UTC, but in the end no action was taken. On 2010-08-05 3:17 PM, Jonathan E. Hardis wrote: On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:54:49 -0400 ashtongj wrote: If the

Re: [LEAPSECS] The Debate over UTC and Leap Seconds

2010-08-10 Thread ashtongj
On 2010-08-10 11:03 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The much larger body of non-working code, which needs to be fixed if we continue the leap-second stunt, is not mentioned once in the "Favouring change" column. If one actually wants to compute legally correct durations given the starting and en

Re: [LEAPSECS] ITU-R SG7 to consider UTC on October 4

2010-08-10 Thread ashtongj
On 2010-08-10 5:42 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I am 100% convinced that the EU-court will find that it is painfully clear that the directive mandates that all countries switch to summer-time at the exact same moment, relative to the UTC timescale, simply on the basis that the directive would be

[LEAPSECS] New time scale name

2010-08-11 Thread ashtongj
If dropping leap seconds is ultimately approved, we will need at least two names for the new time scale. Perhaps something like this (underscores are digits to be determined later): TI: (Time, international) The time scale known as UTC from 19__ until 202_, and which ceased to observe leap sec

Re: [LEAPSECS] New time scale name

2010-08-13 Thread ashtongj
If, for sake of discussion, we view TAI as correct, then according to HP Application Note 1289, The Science of Timekeeping, D. W. Allen, N. Ashby, and C. C. Hodge, the irregularities in the rotation of the earth are at the level of 1.5 × 10^-9 (page 20). Frequency transfer using HF radio broadc

Re: [LEAPSECS] About the publics time (in-)competence

2010-08-13 Thread ashtongj
A theme in this list recently has been the amount of attention the various ITU and allied committees have paid to technical requirements they have immediate knowledge of, and the lack of attention to public attitudes. I think that the most important emerging time-keeping challenge facing the pu

Re: [LEAPSECS] New time scale name

2010-08-13 Thread ashtongj
For more information about one of the radio time and frequency stations, see http://www.nist.gov/physlab/div847/grp40/wwv.cfm Gerry Ashton On 2010-08-13 7:44 AM, p...@2038bug.com wrote: This is very interesting. But I do notice the words "supposed to" and "could cause". Would you be able to fi

Re: [LEAPSECS] comments on DRR TF.460-6

2010-09-21 Thread ashtongj
Tony asked "Are there any requirements for mean solar time other than astronomy and celectial navigation?" Land surveyors still use sun and star sights to find azimuth. While GPS can also be used for this function, the total station (theodolite and laser distance meter combined) is an indispe

[LEAPSECS] Cost: getting rid of GMT & discontinuing leap seconds

2010-10-24 Thread ashtongj
Here is a cost that has not yet been mentioned. Many sources still refer to the basis of civil time (before adjustment for time zone and daylight saving) as Greenwich Mean Time. This can still be justified because although the meridian for which UTC is the mean solar time moves over the surface

Re: [LEAPSECS] Cost: getting rid of GMT & discontinuing leap seconds

2010-10-24 Thread ashtongj
My replies are interspersed among Paul's questions. On 2010-01-14 12:29 PM, p...@2038bug.com wrote: it will be necessary to modify all [...] Why? Because they will be wrong, civil time will not be based upon the mean time an Greenwich, for any meaning of the word Greenwich. It will a

Re: [LEAPSECS] Back to Basics

2010-11-03 Thread ashtongj
Getting back to basics is good, but my view is different from Mr. Finkleman's. The world of measurements is effectively divided into the realms of discussion, publication, and research, versus the realm of commerce. In the first realm, you can do whatever you want (if you live in a place wher