Re: [LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-03-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Tony Fi nch writes: >On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >I don't need to tell Poul-Henning about LORAN-C, [...] No, you don't need to: http://phk.freebsd.dk/loran-c/ http://phk.freebsd.dk/AducLoran/ :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-03-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <0abeeaf7-591c-4e21-a058-2e05e23e6...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes: >I didn't say "backup", I said "fallback" [...] Now you're just cleaving semantics, trying to argue that Mercedes owners in fact *should* carry a sextant, without actually sound that silly ;-) >Of course, LORAN is its

Re: [LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-03-01 Thread Rob Seaman
On Mar 1, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <99a2c4d3-3c72-4c18-a1e1-f1b63e5d9...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes: > >> GPS is being built into critical infrastructure, [...] > > Ohh, I don't disagree with that being patently stupid, without a > good backup system. I didn't s

Re: [LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-03-01 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Rob Seaman writes: > > > > GPS is being built into critical infrastructure, [...] > > Ohh, I don't disagree with that being patently stupid, without a > good backup system. I don't need to tell Poul-Henning about LORAN-C, which AIUI is much harder to

Re: [LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-03-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <99a2c4d3-3c72-4c18-a1e1-f1b63e5d9...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes: >GPS is being built into critical infrastructure, [...] Ohh, I don't disagree with that being patently stupid, without a good backup system. I just don't see it as having anything to do with UTC, and I think that your

Re: [LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-03-01 Thread Rob Seaman
You did note the section (http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.95.html#subj1): "A test done in 2008 showed that it was easy to badly spoof ships of the English coast, causing them to read locations anywhere from Ireland to Scandinavia." GPS is being built into critical infrastructure, for instance,

Re: [LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-02-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Rob Seaman writes: >RISKS Digest on "the growing threat of jamming to satellite navigation >systems": >It sure would be peachy to retain a capability to fall back on >traditional navigation techniques. Access to mean solar time as >provided by UTC is part of the recipe. I can imagi

[LEAPSECS] Another reason not to mess with UTC

2010-02-28 Thread Rob Seaman
RISKS Digest on "the growing threat of jamming to satellite navigation systems": http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/25.95.html#subj1 It sure would be peachy to retain a capability to fall back on traditional navigation techniques. Access to mean solar time as provided by UTC is part of the