The best word is likely "epoch". Just as "place" represents some complex
political/geographical area. A date is a range of times. The endpoints of
that range are defined by all the rules we've touched on. Place and epoch are
intertwined. It is the coherent definition of the underlying times
Rob Seaman said:
> But you did it yourself. Birth certificates list both time and place.
Mine doesn't list time, nor do any of those of my family (who were born in
two different countries, by the way, so this isn't just a UK thing).
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On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message , Rob Seaman writes:
>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
>>> My son was born on march 31 in California on Mount Diablo Hospital.
>>>
>>> But at the time it was April 1st in Denmark.
>>
>> Some might think
In message <4edfa244.4040...@comcast.net>, Gerard Ashton writes:
>Although statements of birthdays are seldom accompanied by explicit
>statements of the
>time zone, the place of birth is usually available so the time zone can
>be reconstructed.
Yeah, so now you just need to know the _time of da
In message , Rob Seaman writes:
>On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> My son was born on march 31 in California on Mount Diablo Hospital.
>>
>> But at the time it was April 1st in Denmark.
>
>Some might think April 1st comes disproportionately frequently in Denmark :-)
>
>Congr
Although statements of birthdays are seldom accompanied by explicit
statements of the
time zone, the place of birth is usually available so the time zone can
be reconstructed.
As for what is recorded on a birth certificate, there is no telling what
might be recorded;
there are more than 14,000 k
On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> I focused on the UT1, because UTC could _conceiveably_ have relevance,
I'm glad you recognize that UTC could have relevance. Recognition is the first
step.
> whereas there is absolutely no way UT1 can come into play as a distinct
> timesca
On 7 Dec, 2011, at 07:57 , Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> Consequently, if anybody claims that UT1 as distinct from UTC has
> any relevance for birthcertificates, I want to see the proof, because
> the claim is entirely nonsensical and counter intuitive in every
> way.
Astrologers care, that's the de
In message , Rob Seaman writes:
>On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>Nice way to ignore the fact that you chose to excise the one key
>term "UTC" from Mills' quote.
I focused on the UT1, because UTC could _conceiveably_ have relevance,
whereas there is absolutely no way UT1 can
On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> I wonder where he got the idea that death and birth certificates are UT1 too.
>
> Or for that matter, what difference it could possibly make ?
Nice way to ignore the fact that you chose to excise the one key term "UTC"
from Mills' quote.
On Dec 7, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Ian Batten wrote:
>
> On 7 Dec 2011, at 0748, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
>> In message <26f22184-f7ba-4773-90c4-e480356f5...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman
>> writes:
>>
I wonder where he got the idea that death and birth certificates are UT1
too.
>>
>> Or for t
In message <5710b6b4-110e-4342-a593-32d3c7103...@batten.eu.org>, Ian Batten wri
tes:
>> Birthdays do not even get adjusted with/for timezones: You are
>> born and die on civil time,
>
>Which of course takes us round in circles, because in some countries
>civil time _is_ UT1.
Well, Earth Rotataio
On 7 Dec 2011, at 0748, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <26f22184-f7ba-4773-90c4-e480356f5...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes:
>
>>> I wonder where he got the idea that death and birth certificates are UT1
>>> too.
>
> Or for that matter, what difference it could possibly make ?
>
> Birthd
In message <26f22184-f7ba-4773-90c4-e480356f5...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes:
>> I wonder where he got the idea that death and birth certificates are UT1 too.
Or for that matter, what difference it could possibly make ?
Birthdays do not even get adjusted with/for timezones: You are
born and di
On Dec 6, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
>> In message , Rob Seaman
>> writes:
>>
>>> However, there is no escaping that synchronization with conventional human
>>> activities requires [...] in case of birth and death certificates
On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message , Rob Seaman writes:
>
>> However, there is no escaping that synchronization with conventional
>> human activities requires [...] in case of birth and death
>> certificates UT1.
>
> Dave Mills has his opinions, and he are welcome
In message , Rob Seaman writes:
>However, there is no escaping that synchronization with conventional
>human activities requires [...] in case of birth and death
>certificates UT1.
Dave Mills has his opinions, and he are welcome to them, but they are not
all based on facts from the recent decade,
I used a U.S. "black friday" discount to buy a copy of the 2nd edition of Dave
Mills' "Computer Network Time Synchronization: The Network Time Protocol on
Earth and in Space". I've had the library's copy of the 1st edition on my
shelf for a long time, renewing as needed several times over. The
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