Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-03 Thread Clive D.W. Feather
Poul-Henning Kamp said: > So here is an instructive little table: > > Finagle Subject to > FactorUnit/Resolution politics since > > Leap days 86400 sec. 2000

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-03 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >Tony Finch wrote: >>On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> >>> I may be misremembering, I thought the longitude conference was in 1884 ? >> >> Yes, but by that time there had already been 40 years of railway time in >> the UK. We officially sw

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Warner Losh
On 11/02/2010 12:44, Tony Finch wrote: Leap days are also an instructive example, since it took about 300 years for Europe to deploy a revision to the previous standard which had been in place for about 1600 years... One not completely adopted either: to compute many religious holidays, many ea

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <211ee304-6f59-40a1-837f-3f8359f68...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >Except that your suggestion is that we can ignore the whole thing >because the wisdom of local governance will sort it all out with >kaleidoscopically shifting timezone policies. Which was ex

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Rob Seaman
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I'm not sure I see that any one country fixes their national time as > relevant, as the fact that the international community, such as it were, > argreed to do so. Except that your suggestion is that we can ignore the whole thing because the wisdom of local governanc

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Tony Fi nch writes: >On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> I may be misremembering, I thought the longitude conference was in 1884 ? > >Yes, but by that time there had already been 40 years of railway time in >the UK. We officially switched to a single time zone in 1880, b

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I may be misremembering, I thought the longitude conference was in 1884 ? Yes, but by that time there had already been 40 years of railway time in the UK. We officially switched to a single time zone in 1880, but local mean solar time had already be

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Tony Fi nch writes: >On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> Finagle Subject to >> Factor Unit/Resolution politics since >> >> Leap days86400 sec.

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Finagle Subject to > FactorUnit/Resolution politics since > > Leap days 86400 sec. 2000 bc. > Timezones 36

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <3b33e89c51d2de44be2f0c757c656c88099aa...@mail02.stk.com>, "Finklema n, Dave" writes: >It is a hierarchy each level of which is sufficient for a range of >applications. Every time we solve dynamical equations, we are defining >a unique time scale and time interval based on things such

Re: [LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Steve Allen
On Tue 2010-11-02T13:30:42 -0400, Finkleman, Dave hath writ: > We must correlate time as perceived in our analyses > with the temporal relationships among objects in the universe. For the sake of operational systems I would phrase this as the requirement that all precision intercomparisons of time

[LEAPSECS] Degrees of Accommodating Time Based on Earth Rotation

2010-11-02 Thread Finkleman, Dave
A long flight was time to really read Ken Seidelmann's book and part of Woolard and Clemence, Spherical Astronomy. Subsequent exchanges with Ken give me a new understanding. (Probably an old understanding for the rest of you.) When we solve equations approximating physical processes, we are real