[LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-15 Thread Rob Seaman
Our librarian has assigned the Library of Congress classification QB213 .R4 2013 to the proceedings of “Requirements for UTC and Civil Timekeeping on Earth” (ISBN 978-0-87703-603-6, http://futureofutc.org/preprints/). Looking on the shelf, this is next to the proceedings for IAU Symposium 11, “

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2014-01-15T16:56:20 -0700, Rob Seaman hath writ: > Both volumes contain transcriptions of discussions during the > meetings. On p. 35 of the IAU #11 volume we have this harbinger of > things to come (following G. M. Clemence http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1959AJ.64..113C > Following

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
Rob, Glad you got a chance to read that volume. I thought Steve and I were the only ones who spent time reading the history of atomic timescales over the last century. It's really quite fascinating, if you have the time. > “Dr. STOYKO commented that even though the atomic standard is not a clock

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-16 Thread Eric Fort
might there be a bit more simplicity added to this discussion. It would seem to me that what is and is not a "clock" is not and should not be the question. A clock tells time, whatever that is. Planetary rotation, Planetary orbit, A pendulum, A quartz crystal, or a cesium beam - none of thes

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-16 Thread Daode
Eric Fort wrote: |I'd be interested in the groups comments. Follow me across the sea. Where milky babies seem to be. Molded, flowing revelry. With the one that set them free. Tell all the people that you see. It's just me |[.]I think the mass public |would probably like to see their

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-16 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2014-01-16T09:58:52 -0800, Eric Fort hath writ: > Maybe it's time for the minders > of astronomical periodicity and the minders of atomic periodicity to > simply agree to disagree about what "time" is at it's core and simply > use the timescale that is appropriate and useful for their own us

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-16 Thread Eric Fort
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Steve Allen wrote: > On Thu 2014-01-16T09:58:52 -0800, Eric Fort hath writ: >> Maybe it's time for the minders >> of astronomical periodicity and the minders of atomic periodicity to >> simply agree to disagree about what "time" is at it's core and simply >> use t

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-17 Thread Tony Finch
Eric Fort wrote: > As for those simply going about their daily lives and wishing to make > a schedule within seconds or even minutes I think the mass public > would probably like to see their wall clocks remain in sync with the > rotation of the planet on which they presently reside. Note that D

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-17 Thread Daode
Tony Finch wrote: |Eric Fort wrote: |> a schedule within seconds or even minutes I think the mass public |> would probably like to see their wall clocks remain in sync with the |> rotation of the planet on which they presently reside. | |Note that DST exists because people prefer to set the

Re: [LEAPSECS] QB213 .R4 2013

2014-01-17 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:17 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > Note that DST exists because people prefer to set their clocks to sunrise > than to midday, but sunrise is too inconvenient so we use a quantized > approximation. DST exists for a complex set of sociological and political reasons. Whatever the