On 2011-11-17, at 21:56, Warner Losh wrote:
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> On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Nero Imhard wrote:
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>> I would say that the use case is quite irrelevant. The use case dictates the
>> choice of time scale, not the other way. Fundamentally changing the
>> definition of a time scale is an insult to
"Actual stuff"? There's a whole other sermon…
These are tools for characterizing an "actual effect" in the "actual sky" that
will affect "actual operations" of the Air Force Space Command.
The proceedings are being finalized and should be available next week. In the
mean time feel free to rea
Rob Seaman wrote:
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> > Can you (or another participant) give me some concrete examples of
> > stuff that needs leap seconds and don't already have well established
> > mechanisms for adjusting the time output from their GPS or other time
> > keeping equipment appropriately?
>
> See
> http://www.
On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Nero Imhard wrote:
> On 2011-11-17, at 19:57, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
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>> Count me in with the uninformed then and please help inform us. (Just to be
>> clear here; I'm completely serious - I understand the general concept of
>> course, but I genuinely don't under
On 2011-11-17, at 19:57, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
> Count me in with the uninformed then and please help inform us. (Just to be
> clear here; I'm completely serious - I understand the general concept of
> course, but I genuinely don't understand the specific use cases for having
> leap seconds
In message <4acea877-9c04-4e6d-a563-831ee17e9...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes:
>And no evidence whatsoever that redefining UTC will not cause even bigger
>problems for these same communities and industries. Nobody has looked.
Just like there is no evidence that it would cause any trouble at all
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
> I've been following the list for a while and seen many examples of
> communities and significant industries where leap seconds are causing problems
But you've seen no investigations of the significance of the problems, and only
anecdotal e
On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:21, Rob Seaman wrote:
I've been following the list for a while and seen many examples of communities
and significant industries where leap seconds are causing problems (and just
stopping them with cause no new friction).
> That you can't imagine that any system or proce
On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <3b099ba0-b740-4d80-998c-9dbc7d4ac...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes:
>
>> Real-world issues will occur whether or not they are aware of the issue and
>> whether or not they regard it as important.
>
> I'm sorry to say it so blunt
In message <3b099ba0-b740-4d80-998c-9dbc7d4ac...@noao.edu>, Rob Seaman writes:
>On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>Real-world issues will occur whether or not they are aware of the issue and
> whether or not they regard it as important.
I'm sorry to say it so bluntly, but you
On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> First: I have an estimate on the recertification cost from a credible
> industry source.
Citation? Methodology?
…and is recertification actually necessary given the circumstances? This is a
shell game. There is no equivalence between t
In message , Rob Seaman writes:
>On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> A) The majority of rolling stock built in the last 10 years
>> or
>> B) A few astronomical telescopes.
>>
>> Actually, I don't wonder, I know the answer to that one: You can
>> build several ELT's for w
On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> We're having a bit of a project management scandal in Denmark related
> to purchase of 83 "IC4" trains.
I suspect I'm not the only American reading this wishing more of our scandals
were about trains...
> Reasearching this, I have been rea
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