Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-27 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2005-09-26T10:27:11 -0400, John.Cowan hath writ: In addition, since GPS time is TAI - 19s, the GPS-UTC difference will eventually overflow any fixed-sized transmission packet (if transmitted as a delta or as a table, it makes no difference in the end). Yes, but (as already mentioned)

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Allen writes: The inclusion of calendar year is an interesting addition to the original week-based scheme. The week-based scheme was perhaps chosen while noting that the week remained intact when Pope Gregory (and then, eventually, all the protestants)

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The question is whether at least 20 minutes (presuming this to be : accurate) is intrinsic to the system design or is rather a result of : poor implementation by some receiver manufacturers. A cold GPS receiver takes

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: I am wondering, though, if anyone knows of an example of a GPS receiver that caches the delta value from the last power-up? It seems to me this would take care of the delay in all but the most extreme cases. Most receivers will cache the almanac

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : In addition, since GPS time is TAI - 19s, the GPS-UTC difference will : eventually overflow any fixed-sized transmission packet (if transmitted : as a delta or as a table, it makes no difference in the end). : :

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
A cold GPS receiver takes about 20 minutes to get the almanac data from the GPS constellation. It is intrinsic to GPS that this is the case. You cannot get around this. It's easy to solve that if the application requires it. You could get the almanac from an external source; such as another

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Too much is made of the overflow. Fields rollover all : the time in real life and it's often a simple engineering : matter to take this into account. Not sure I would call : it cheating. We get by fine with just 7

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
But a GPS receiver which uses the current leap second offset (UTC against GPS time) to help guess which 1024 week period it is in will _eventually_ not work quite right. I guess that begs the question - which of the hundred GPS receiver manufacturers actually use the LS field in the UTC

Re: RAS hits the news

2005-09-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : In my understanding the GPS system : itself handles leap seconds pretty well, almost optimally. One could say that GPS handles them perfectly, in that they do not exist at all in the GPS time scale. However, GPS'