predicting leap seconds (was Re: [LEAPSECS] Where the responsibility lies)

2006-01-07 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:36:17AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neal McBurnett writes: > >On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> If we can increase the tolerance to 10sec, IERS can give us the > >> leapseconds with 20 years notic

Re: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2006-01-04T07:36:17 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neal McBurnett writes: > >Do you have any evidence for this assertion? > > It is an educated guess. > > The IERS have already indicated that they belive they could do prediction > under the 0.9 second t

Re: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neal McBurnett writes: >On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> If we can increase the tolerance to 10sec, IERS can give us the >> leapseconds with 20 years notice and only the minority of computers >> that survive longer than that would

Re: Longer leap second notice, was: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Warner Losh
> I continue to find the focus on general purpose computing > infrastructure to be unpersuasive. If we can convince hardware and > software vendors to pay enough attention to timing requirements to > implement such a strategy, we can convince them to implement a more > complete time handling infra

Re: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > If we can increase the tolerance to 10sec, IERS can give us the > leapseconds with 20 years notice and only the minority of computers > that survive longer than that would need to update the factory > installed table of leapsecond

Re: Longer leap second notice, was: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Davies writes: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: If we can increase the tolerance to 10sec, IERS can give us the leapseconds with 20 years notice and only the minority of computers that survive longer than that woul

Re: Longer leap second notice, was: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Davies writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> If we can increase the tolerance to 10sec, IERS can give us the >>> leapseconds with 20 years notice and only the minority of computers >>> that survive longer than that would need to update the factory >>> installed ta

Re: Longer leap second notice, was: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Ed Davies
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: If we can increase the tolerance to 10sec, IERS can give us the leapseconds with 20 years notice and only the minority of computers that survive longer than that would need to update the factory installed table of leapseconds. Rob Seaman replied: No. Rather all comput

Re: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Rob Seaman
All right - I guess we can go another round or two while waiting - perhaps indefinitely - for reports of leap second related catastrophes to filter in. First, an apology for posting my previous reply publicly. It escaped my notice that I was replying to a private message. On Jan 3, 2006, at 12:

Re: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes: >John Hawkinson replies: > >I think PHK has demonstrated the ability (and willingness :-) to hold >up his own end of an argument. Should we ever find ourselves at the >same conference, I'll buy him a beer in anticipation of a rousing >discussion.

Re: Where the responsibility lies

2006-01-03 Thread Rob Seaman
John Hawkinson replies: Time handling bugs typically appear in the interfaces between systems that make contradictory assumptions. I think phk's point ("text book example") was that these problems were more likely to have been detected in a world where everyone's default timescale (UTC) was n

Where the responsibility lies (was Re: [LEAPSECS] text book example...)

2006-01-03 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 1, 2006, at 3:29 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: http://lheawww.gsfc.nasa.gov/users/ebisawa/ASCAATTITUDE/ This describes a system for "attitude determination", i.e., for pointing the ASCA X-ray telescope at celestial objects. It appears there were several bugs in time handling. They get