Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Stroller
On 19 Feb 2009, at 05:49, Chris Travers wrote: > ... > Orders are not financial transactions. ... Right. But from the below they can be turned into financial transactions when I turn them into invoices? > Otherwise, orders are basically pre-invoices and could be used as > draft invoices. Tha

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 00:50, Chris Travers wrote: >> ... >> You can already do this to an extent with orders vs invoices, but this >> is a little different. For a draft sales invoice, one could not >> create an authoritative view of the COGS until

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Stroller
On 19 Feb 2009, at 00:50, Chris Travers wrote: > ... > You can already do this to an extent with orders vs invoices, but this > is a little different. For a draft sales invoice, one could not > create an authoritative view of the COGS until it is approved because > of the problem discussed before

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Stroller
On 18 Feb 2009, at 19:35, Chris Travers wrote: > The short version of my last post is that I don't like building > accounting systems where there are no clearly defined right numbers > that are supposed to come out of it. Once we get off the basic GAAP > (FASB/IASB common ground and accepted pro

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: > As Chris suggested, a one button, quick reversal system would be great. > Perhaps there may be a way of excluding the mistaken and their reversed > transactions from informal reports (but never from formal reports). > Actually one of the ele

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Chris Bennett
Chris Travers wrote: > The short version of my last post is that I don't like building > accounting systems where there are no clearly defined right numbers > that are supposed to come out of it. Once we get off the basic GAAP > (FASB/IASB common ground and accepted processes),* it becomes > impos

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Chris Travers
The short version of my last post is that I don't like building accounting systems where there are no clearly defined right numbers that are supposed to come out of it. Once we get off the basic GAAP (FASB/IASB common ground and accepted processes),* it becomes impossible to define exactly how the

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread Chris Travers
Turtle: Part of the problem is that when you edit and repost an invoice, there are a number of nasty corner cases which can bite you. Since the workflow is non-GAAP, there are no accepted mathematical solutions to this problem. Let me give you an example. Suppose you sell an item which has a ve

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] GAAP (was Re: Patch for serious bug in LedgerSMB 1.2.16)

2009-02-18 Thread turtle
On Friday 13 February 2009 11:43:12 David F. Skoll wrote: > Sorry if this is getting off-topic for the devel list... > > > BTW, these aren't just non-standard workflows. From an accounting > > perspective, they are wrong workflows because they break auditability. > > Technically, you aren't suppo

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] FW: Help Desk and Ledgersmb

2009-02-18 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:07 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: \ > It would completely fail. We don't issue any security-sensitive > messages over the IRC channel. And obviously, malicious users could > easily spoof messages. If we were to do this seriously, we'd have to > use a message bus with guaran

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] FW: Help Desk and Ledgersmb

2009-02-18 Thread David F. Skoll
Chris Travers wrote: > Actually, I think it is a very elegant solution. However, I would > wonder about security issues in scaling up. It might work well for a > 10 person company, but what if you want to add security-sensitive > information over the messaging layer? It would completely fail.

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] FW: Help Desk and Ledgersmb

2009-02-18 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:03 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: > Paul Wrightson wrote: > >> Wow - Enterprise Service Bus via IRC! > > Hey, if it's good enough to control a botnet with a hundred thousand hosts, > it's good enough for a 10-person company. :-) Actually, I think it is a very elegant solution

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] FW: Help Desk and Ledgersmb

2009-02-18 Thread David F. Skoll
Paul Wrightson wrote: > Wow - Enterprise Service Bus via IRC! Hey, if it's good enough to control a botnet with a hundred thousand hosts, it's good enough for a 10-person company. :-) > What is the overhead of supporting the IRC and robots? What do you mean by "overhead"? If you mean CPU or ne

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] FW: Help Desk and Ledgersmb

2009-02-18 Thread Paul Wrightson
Wow - Enterprise Service Bus via IRC! What is the overhead of supporting the IRC and robots? Did you consider MQ or similar? Paul W David F. Skoll wrote: > sends a specially-formatted message on an internal IRC channel. > > On our desktops, we have robots listening on the IRC channel. When they

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] FW: Help Desk and Ledgersmb

2009-02-18 Thread David F. Skoll
Ed W wrote: > I would love to see a bit more about how you integrated Asterisk and Sugar? When a call comes in, we make an system() call in the dialplan to a Perl script that looks up the Caller*ID in Sugar. If it finds an account, it sends a specially-formatted message on an internal IRC channe

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] FW: Help Desk and Ledgersmb

2009-02-18 Thread Ed W
David F. Skoll wrote: > shaker Khzym wrote: > > >> Thank you for your reply David. >> > > >> What tasks are available to you by integrating Ledgersmb with RT? >> > > Well, instead of posting a long explanation to the list, have a look > at these slides I made: > > http://media.skoll