Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Outsourcing payroll

2010-07-26 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Sounds like much larger companies than I'm referring to. David writes: > We are a small company (8 people) and we outsource payroll As I said: larger companies. > It is just so much simpler, and it's really not that expensive. If I was to ever have employees again (I won't) I'd be ve

[Ledger-smb-devel] Outsourcing payroll (was Re: Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB)

2010-07-26 Thread David F. Skoll
John Hasler wrote: > Sounds like much larger companies than I'm referring to. We are a small company (8 people) and we outsource payroll. It is just so much simpler, and it's really not that expensive. Regards, David. --

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Thompson
I don't know the american situation, but in Manitoba (Canada) it's usually cheaper to hire a service to do payroll for you, up until about 20 employees or so. Granted it's a close-run thing, QB's payroll data isn't *much* more expensive, but the 4-person company I work for has Comcheq? Ceridian

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Joshua D. Drake writes: > I know many companies (mine included) that forgo the pain of payroll > and have a service do it. Sounds like much larger companies than I'm referring to. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Gerald Chudyk
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Hasler wrote: > David writes: >> This is why I do not think you should target the same market as >> shrink-wrapped proprietary accounting software.  I'm not trying to be >> facetious, and I certainly don't mean to dismiss Free Software.  I'm >> just saying it

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:18 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Joshua D. Drake writes: > > There is a large swath of users that (millions) that if built properly > > that we open up LedgerSMB to. > > Only when it handles payroll (in fact there's a large swath of users > that supporting payroll would open

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Gerald Chudyk
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >> > We *need* at least as an option to provide simple, easy to modify, >> > preferably from the browser, templates. >> > > > Or is a book keeper for a small business. > Small Business as a market means many things to different people. I w

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Thompson
> From: David F. Skoll [mailto:d...@roaringpenguin.com] > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > Spoken like a true geek. This isn't hard folks. The web has the whole > > print thing down as long as you are using a modern browser. Simple > > web-pdf tools exist as well. > > Color me skeptical. There a reas

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread John Hasler
David writes: > This is why I do not think you should target the same market as > shrink-wrapped proprietary accounting software. I'm not trying to be > facetious, and I certainly don't mean to dismiss Free Software. I'm > just saying it caters to a different market segment. I have an acquaintan

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Joshua D. Drake writes: > There is a large swath of users that (millions) that if built properly > that we open up LedgerSMB to. Only when it handles payroll (in fact there's a large swath of users that supporting payroll would open LedgerSMB up to with no other changes. -- John Hasler jhas...

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread David F. Skoll
Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> Color me skeptical. There a reason most small-business accounting >> systems are *not* web-based. > Quickbooks online > Quicken online > Microsoft Dynamics > Netsuite Yes, but how do they generate printed invoices? HTML+CSS or PDF that bypasses the browser's rendering

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Adam Thompson
> You just illustrated exactly why it needs to be done. A few steps up from > writing postscript? NOBODY writes postscript. > :D Umm... I do. I do recognize that debugging Postscript isn't exactly a mainstream skill, however . Nor do I do it more than once every four or five years, nowadays.

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 17:17 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >> If you are dreaming of a situation in which LedgerSMB is used *and > >> customized* by "average" office workers, I'd say LaTeX is the least of > >> your worries. > > > Spoken like a true geek. This isn't hard

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread David F. Skoll
Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> If you are dreaming of a situation in which LedgerSMB is used *and >> customized* by "average" office workers, I'd say LaTeX is the least of >> your worries. > Spoken like a true geek. This isn't hard folks. The web has the whole > print thing down as long as you are usi

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:13 -0430, Walter Vargas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello from Venezuela > > About the intention to eliminate LaTeX, I think, you can have > something like templates in XML or DocBook, and then convert to other > formats, including LaTeX.

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 15:45 +, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: > Joshua D. Drake writes: > > Lastly, for 2.0 we are moving to Git. We have already created the > > repository and will slowly begin to populate over the coming months. > > > > http://github.com/commandprompt/LedgerSMB > > The migration to

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 02:08 -0400, Luke wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > 2.0 of LedgerSMB is going to branch soon. The primary goal of 2.0 is to > > Is there any intent to do a final release of 1.3, or will it continue to > be worked on concurrently? Yes. There will be

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 15:36 -0700, Gerald Chudyk wrote: > Hopefully in the future there are enough templates to choose from, and > at a sufficient level of completeness that Sue doesn't need to > customize much. If she can create sophisticated spreadsheets from > Excel templates and build Access d

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Upcoming 2.0 of LedgerSMB

2010-07-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 18:08 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > Latex may be great for you but if I walk into an office and say, "Sue, > > here is how you customize templates" and its tex? I might as well walk > > back out, cause she will have none of it. > > If you are dr