Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Future of LedgerSMB: Ideas and RFC

2011-05-18 Thread Luke
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Chris Travers wrote: > For the last few years, LedgerSMB has achieved significant growth. > Some of that growth has come at an organizational cost and for that I > apologize to the community. Now I have to try to help put the > organizational stuff back together. We had the

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] Future of LedgerSMB: Ideas and RFC

2011-05-17 Thread Joshua Berkus
Chris, > Many of you may be frustrated at the pace of development of LedgerSMB > and the fact that 1.3 has not yet been released. Development may > appear to have slowed. Public discussions become less frequent... FWIW, this is normal for projects approaching their first Big Release. The answe

[Ledger-smb-devel] Future of LedgerSMB: Ideas and RFC

2011-05-17 Thread Chris Travers
Hi all; Many of you may be frustrated at the pace of development of LedgerSMB and the fact that 1.3 has not yet been released. Development may appear to have slowed. Public discussions become less frequent... For the last few years, LedgerSMB has achieved significant growth. Some of that growth

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jeff Gerritsen wrote: > I believe a healthy discussion on the future of LSMB is needed, although I'm > concerned about two issues, one being discussed and one not being discussed! > > The concerns I have are about the one issue being discussed may degenerate > into unproductive language and plat

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
> Here is my view: > > we are far better to stick with one language (probably Perl) for the > official LedgerSMB core distribution. Eventually, we want an ability Well one language for core is obviously smart (although I can see some interesting points for using C in places possibly). > to eas

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Chris Travers
Correction: Gmail messed up my URL: http://www.ledgersmb.org/community/ On 1/22/07, Chris Travers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/22/07, Jeff Gerritsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe a healthy discussion on the future of LSMB is needed, although I'm > > concerned about two issues, one

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Chris Travers
On 1/22/07, Jeff Gerritsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe a healthy discussion on the future of LSMB is needed, although I'm > concerned about two issues, one being discussed and one not being discussed! > > The concerns I have are about the one issue being discussed may degenerate > into u

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Jeff Gerritsen
I believe a healthy discussion on the future of LSMB is needed, although I'm concerned about two issues, one being discussed and one not being discussed! The concerns I have are about the one issue being discussed may degenerate into unproductive language and platform wars - although (I believe)

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Chris Travers
On 1/22/07, Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: > > --- Chris Travers wrote: > >> If we rewrite the entire application at once, I am quite afraid it > >> will never be completed simply because it is such a big task. > > > > I agree with this, a rewrite with redesign [

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Chris Travers
On 1/22/07, Jeff Kowalczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with this, a rewrite with redesign [1] would take way too long for any > new or SL user to remain interested in SMB. > > > Rewriting in Perl gives us the ability to have a useful application > > while we are working on it. > > What ab

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: > --- Chris Travers wrote: >> If we rewrite the entire application at once, I am quite afraid it >> will never be completed simply because it is such a big task. > > I agree with this, a rewrite with redesign [1] would take way too long for any > new or SL user to remain inte

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
--- Chris Travers wrote: > If we rewrite the entire application at once, I am quite afraid it > will never be completed simply because it is such a big task. I agree with this, a rewrite with redesign [1] would take way too long for any new or SL user to remain interested in SMB. > Rewriting in P

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Chris Travers wrote: > Every language has the possibility of running into cross-platform > issues on some level. I have found, for example. that Perl has a few > Windows issues, but these can be easily worked around. I would expect > that other scripting languages may run into issues with braind-

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Ed W wrote: > >>> From a crossplatform point of view I would have thought that Perl >>> was actually about the best supported tool out there...? >>> >> >> No actually Python or Java is going to give us the best capability there. >> > > It's not really relevant, but I still reckon that Pe

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Chris Travers
Every language has the possibility of running into cross-platform issues on some level. I have found, for example. that Perl has a few Windows issues, but these can be easily worked around. I would expect that other scripting languages may run into issues with braind-dead Win32 API behavior too (

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-22 Thread Ed W
From a crossplatform point of view I would have thought that Perl was actually about the best supported tool out there...? No actually Python or Java is going to give us the best capability there. It's not really relevant, but I still reckon that Perl is more widely supported than

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Chris Travers
On 1/21/07, Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ok, to clarify-- allowing third party add-ons, providing some > > directional support, etc. happens today. However, these are somewhat > > limited in scope by the factors described above. I would expect this > > And then break compatibi

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Chris Travers wrote: > We have something to gain. > > If we rewrite the entire application at once, I am quite afraid it > will never be completed simply because it is such a big task. > Rewriting in Perl gives us the ability to have a useful application > while we are working on it. I am not rea

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Chris Travers
We have something to gain. If we rewrite the entire application at once, I am quite afraid it will never be completed simply because it is such a big task. Rewriting in Perl gives us the ability to have a useful application while we are working on it. I am sure after 2.0, there may be some cause

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Josh Berkus wrote: > Chris, > >> The core application is probably going to remain in Perl for the >> foreseable future and probably far longer. However, we are working on >> adding hooks so that additional functionality could be added in other >> languages. Rewriting the entire application in Py

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Chris Travers
Just a few thoughts regarding the possibility of add-ons. THese are just my opinions and no guarantee that we will go this way, and I reserve the right to change my mind after discussions wiht the community and other core members I would really like to see four stable areas for integration:

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Seneca Cunningham
On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 02:41:58PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > Seneca, > > > There is a GL table, it's just that hardly anything uses it, prefering > > to add up the other tables and storing its values in the acc_trans > > table. One of my test instances has an entry in it from when I told the >

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Josh Berkus
Seneca, > There is a GL table, it's just that hardly anything uses it, prefering > to add up the other tables and storing its values in the acc_trans > table. One of my test instances has an entry in it from when I told the > system that it was the year end. Right. In a standard accounting data

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Seneca Cunningham
On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 02:01:25PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > In the realm of general structure, I'm uncomfortable with the fact that SMB > does not have a GL *table*. While there's nothing innaccurate with doing the > P&L on the fly by adding up AR and AP, it's both inefficient and does not >

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Josh Berkus
Chris, > The core application is probably going to remain in Perl for the > foreseable future and probably far longer.  However, we are working on > adding hooks so that additional functionality could be added in other > languages.  Rewriting the entire application in Python seems both > unnecessa

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Ed W wrote: > Chris Travers wrote: >> Well, here is my sense (not that I am not sure there is a 100% firm >> concensus). >> >> The core application is probably going to remain in Perl for the >> foreseable future and probably far longer. However, we are working on >> adding hooks so that addition

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-21 Thread Ed W
Chris Travers wrote: > Well, here is my sense (not that I am not sure there is a 100% firm > concensus). > > The core application is probably going to remain in Perl for the > foreseable future and probably far longer. However, we are working on > adding hooks so that additional functionality cou

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-20 Thread Chris Travers
Well, here is my sense (not that I am not sure there is a 100% firm concensus). The core application is probably going to remain in Perl for the foreseable future and probably far longer. However, we are working on adding hooks so that additional functionality could be added in other languages.

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-20 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
--- "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually (python) has been discussed. At least two of the core members are > pro python. Python also gives us a better cross platform capability. That's interesting to hear. For a long while prior to the LedgerSMB fork, I had considered working wi

Re: [Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-20 Thread Joshua D. Drake
GOvvin wrote: > Do you guys foresee LSMB as staying with Perl or are there plans of porting > it to a more "maintainable" language such as Python? Actually this has been discussed. At least two of the core members are pro python. Python also gives us a better cross platform capability. That being

[Ledger-smb-devel] future of LedgerSMB

2007-01-20 Thread GOvvin
Do you guys foresee LSMB as staying with Perl or are there plans of porting it to a more "maintainable" language such as Python? Please forgive me if I step on any toes. I am not, in any way, formenting any language wars. It's just that I have no background in Perl (I'd probably start learning no