Precisely. Although I would have preferred it otherwise it just goes to
illustrate that:
1) The 2 "best" players don't necessarily work as a pairing
2) Other factors in the team can make the effectiveness look worse than it
otherwise is
On this occasion Rachubka would have made Charlton & Hunter
Just turning over the horror show as I try to sleep in Murray Towers and wonder
if Rahubka has been paid a la salman butt. It really was that bad.
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On 2 Nov 2011, at 22:46, Ian Murray wrote:
> He said what?!! We're doomed if hes speaking gibberish like that!
>
> Most painfu
Delete.
On 3 November 2011 09:04, Dr. Michael Benjamin. wrote:
> I wish I understood when is Grayson responsible. When we win he's the
> great architect. When we lose we are work in progress.
> Let's all get real. We are much more likely to be in s relegation battle
> than a promotion one.
> We
So it looks like he's seen sense and will try bring in a decent keeper in
before Saturday.
Regards
Wayne
Matt Anderson wrote:
t.co/Fg668tio
Grayson interview
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On 2 Nov 2011, at 22:20, Tim Leslie wrote:
> Well you got your wish for 27 minutes. Happy?!
>
> On 2 Nov 201
He said what?!! We're doomed if hes speaking gibberish like that!
Most painful game of football I've seen in a while. Yes Rahubka was shocking
but shame shame on the Leeds fans booing him. We witnessed the end of a career
tonight and it wasn't pretty.
Grayson's defensive signings have been sho
t.co/Fg668tio
Grayson interview
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On 2 Nov 2011, at 22:20, Tim Leslie wrote:
> Well you got your wish for 27 minutes. Happy?!
>
> On 2 Nov 2011, at 19:48, "Mark Humphries"
> wrote:
>
>> Will be interesting to see how Kisnorbo and Lees do in the middle of defence
>> ton
Well you got your wish for 27 minutes. Happy?!
On 2 Nov 2011, at 19:48, "Mark Humphries"
wrote:
> Will be interesting to see how Kisnorbo and Lees do in the middle of defence
> tonight, seeing as that was what I wanted to see for this season!
>
>
>
I wish I understood when is Grayson responsible. When we win he's the great
architect. When we lose we are work in progress.
Let's all get real. We are much more likely to be in s relegation battle than a
promotion one.
We flogged all our reasonable players and will continue to do so.
Bates wi
Under grayson at blackpool I think. He was a premiership keeper last
season.
I think back to Dave's point, anyone can have a shocker (or series of them)
and lose confidence and look like a bloke who has just wandered in from the
local power league pitch
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>Don't blame him - it's rarely the fault of the person doing the job
>badly -
>From the commentary it's pretty clear he made mistakes, I don't think you
can blame Grayson, Rabutcha is a professional and has been for some time.
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Don't blame him - it's rarely the fault of the person doing the job badly -
it's usually the person responsible for the initial placement. I see this
in work situations frequently where people are accused of incompetency.
Consider the senior person that made the appointment - that's where the
Douglas swindon... Brentford...
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Behalf Of Neil Hackett
Sent: 02 November 2011 21:15
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk;
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn
I suspect the Blackpool fans are waiting for their alarms clocks to go off.
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Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 02 November 2011 21:30
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Leeds fans are the best
Any
Anyone not having the benefit of the audio - the Leeds fans are singing
non-stop :)
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PETE CASS (
TheSquareBall (@TheSquareBall)
02/11/2011 20:49
Rachubka reportedly being treated for vitamin C deficiency after he dropped his
half time orange. #lufc
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Now that it's 0-4, just one more goal to concede before our +5 goal
difference (carefully and lovingly crafted since the start of the season) is
ruthlessly wiped out in a single game. Well at least it's going to be a
controversial evening that will have some kind of repercussions as opposed
to
Perhaps they have both found their level.
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:13:01 +
From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
To: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk; nhacks...@hotmail.com;
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
It's always a question of time before the real
OK, 5-4 then
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PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Didn't get caught or have it public domain.
Is that the point?
White and Lees won't be here in fifteen months.
But the Malignant Stoat will be accompanied by the appropriate lackey.
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On 2 Nov 2011, at 22:57, "Matt Anderson"
4-3 we're gonna win 4-3! - well it worked when we sang it a Southampton!
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PETE CASS (1962 - 201
We arent citeh, we cant have a world class reserve keeper on the bench
We have got white and lees as promising defence this season so we have
sorted half the problems in the back 4. So I would argue that's progress.
Just needs 2 more promising defenders and hope Cairns is up to it.
Have you ne
That has probably just destroyed rachubka's confidence for gOod!
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Behalf Of Wayne
Sent: 02 November 2011 20:50
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] 2nd half
Aleks Cairns on for rachubka
Becchio on for Ke
We're going nowhere.
The definition of lunacy is to the same thing and expect different results
The manager is no good. Why ?
Because he cannot organize a defense. Too many players play worse here than in
their previous club. Too many play better on leaving here.
Too many players get on his sh
Aleks Cairns on for rachubka
Becchio on for Keogh...
All we can expect now is a lot of hoofed balls up to becchio and hopefully some
better keeping
Regards
Wayne
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A win tonight and we would have been 4th. Thats good, its just an
everything that can go wrong has, it happens
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Behalf Of Eric B
Sent: 02 November 2011 20:43
To: Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Cc:
Su
Well it will be the last time we see Rachubka, who is having his best game
for Blackpool by a mile.
Typical, 3 games on the trot where the opposition keeper has a blinder.
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Sutton / Sma
It's a bad night at office just like scum v citeh. There are 30 games to go.
We could go up as champions or down in bottom place yet.
Clearly rabchuka (sp??) is not sharp enough match fit or confident now.
Sounds like Lees didn't mean it but reactions took over.
We were on a run of 4 or 5 win
we re not supposed to be grateful. we re supposed to know better than
start bitching every time we lose a game. asking
for the managers head this early in season is absolutely not worthy of
someone that has dealt with football
for x years.
in short doc: you should know better than cry wolf in earl
Christ almighty.
Where do you think this team is going?
Grayson will slag off all unsundry apart from himself.
Bates will then slag of everyone else apart from himself.
And God forbid if we dare mention someone just may be responsible for this
farce of a team.
What are we supposed to be so gra
this is not exclusive to LUFC by any means, I can mention, Forlan,
Crespo and Shevchenko you ll see its always risky for a player to
change clubs.
I am nowhere near being a manager cause I never figured out what a
player like gareth barry is so attractive. I could add a few players
to a list with
here we go AGAIN.. the minute we struggle you come screaming along..
bates out ey..
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin.
wrote:
> That's quite enough of Grayson for me.
> Get a manager that organize a defense.
> Another season over with.
> Which is just fine for the MS.
>
>
> Se
0-3 and it's not even half time yet! Brilliant! Let's see if we can go for
it big time and ship 6 or 7.
Did I hear someone on the list recently saying supporting leeds was becoming
boring? Never - this is solid gold entertainment.
Dave
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That's quite enough of Grayson for me.
Get a manager that organize a defense.
Another season over with.
Which is just fine for the MS.
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On 2 Nov 2011, at 22:19, "Mark Humphries"
wrote:
> Make that 3-0 within the first 3
Fucking hell, now I see Lees got a red card after 25 mins.
This is going to be an absolute fucking massacre. I can see several records
broken tonight!!
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Behalf Of Mark Humphries
Sent: 02 Novembe
And we are now down to 9th.. not bad, dropping 2 positions with only 2
matches going on!
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Behalf Of Mark Humphries
Sent: 02 November 2011 20:14
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Blackpool
Make that 3-0 within the first 30mins!!!
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Humphries
Sent: 02 November 2011 20:14
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Blackpool 0-2
When was the last time we were 2-0 down at
I agree - he hasn't done anything I have seen which makes me think he is a
decent keeper - dithers on crosses, and seems to have a knack of parrying
shots straight to the opposition to score from
Give Cairns a run.
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-bo
kisnorbo OUT'!!!
he's shit.
On Wednesday, November 2, 2011, Mark Humphries <
mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> When was the last time we were 2-0 down at home within the first half
hour?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.a
When was the last time we were 2-0 down at home within the first half hour?
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Humphries
Sent: 02 November 2011 20:00
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Blackpool
8 mins to
I think Rachubka is going to cost us promotion this year. I've felt nervous
from the moment Lonergan went off with his broken finger and Rachubka has
already cost us several points, any one of which could mean the difference
between success and failure.
Sean
With a keeper like Rahubka it does not matter how good the defence is
Regards
Wayne
Mark Humphries wrote:
Will be interesting to see how Kisnorbo and Lees do in the middle of defence
tonight, seeing as that was what I wanted to see for this season!
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8 mins to answer that one!
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Behalf Of Mark Humphries
Sent: 02 November 2011 19:49
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Blackpool
Will be interesting to see how Kisnorbo and Lees do in the middl
> From: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
> I
said before that none of us have a clue when it comes to being a
professional football manager,
>
Many professional football managers don't have a clue on being a professional
football manager:-)
Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
C
Will be interesting to see how Kisnorbo and Lees do in the middle of defence
tonight, seeing as that was what I wanted to see for this season!
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Let me remind you that Roque Junior won a world cup final, with Brazil.
How do you rate him as a player?
I think that just about trumps you attempting to prove the worth of a player
pre/post Leeds as an indicator of actually how "good" they were.
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From: leedslist-boun..
I’m not taking anything personally, and wasn’t meaning to be insulting towards
you – I said before that none of us have a clue when it comes to being a
professional football manager, so cant be expected to understand the nuances of
what effect an individual player will have on a football team, p
Point of order - I've always thought Ben Parker was shit and why you taking
this personally , I'm not on about just you.
Other points:
Ben Parker is slow, but he's quicker than Harte.
Bradley Johnson - my God he played worse than a pub player for a very long time
for us. He offered nothin
Viduka had talent but him in it was wasted.
From: Mark Humphries
To: 'Mark Tuffey' ; richleed...@yahoo.co.uk;
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Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 18:30
Subject: RE: [LU] Cardiff
Jesus – a goal ratio of 1:3 in the prem
Exactly.
From: Mark Tuffey
To: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk; richleed...@yahoo.co.uk;
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Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 18:21
Subject: RE: [LU] Cardiff
> From: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
> Viduka – he played
From: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
Jesus – a goal ratio of 1:3 in the premier league, in a struggling/average side
aint bad!!
Viduka was a class player.
I cant believe I’m even having this discussion, maybe Richard was right and
there is no reasoning with some people!
I liked Viduka but I
Jesus - a goal ratio of 1:3 in the premier league, in a struggling/average
side aint bad!!
Viduka was a class player.
I cant believe I'm even having this discussion, maybe Richard was right and
there is no reasoning with some people!
From: Mark Tuffey [mailto:wiscole...@hotmail.com]
Se
At the time we were a Champions League clubhow many Chumps League
appearances did Bakke, Mcphail, Viduka, Harte...muster after they left Leeds?
The fact that no other club of that level came in for them suggests that they
were not of that quality. And rightly were the poorest members of tha
Not saying you're wrong but to answer your questions: -
> What did happen to Ian Harte when it was realised he didn't have the pace
to
> play in the premiership ?
He spent three years in La Liga whilst we were heading for the third tier of
English football, appearing 52 times and scoring 13 goal
> From: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
> Viduka – he played in the premiership for years after he left us.
Not very well though...5 years, 100 games and 32 goalshardly successful.
Cheers
Mark
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites
Leeds United
Chicago Fire
Harte everyone knew/accepted he was a bit pedestrian, and that he might
possibly cost us, but some people believed his goals were worth that risk.
BALANCE.
McPhail was always a good passer, but was again limited I dont remember
anyone saying anything other than that, there may have
is thirkers spamming everyone ?
From: Tim Leslie
To: Richard Walker
Cc: Mark Humphries ; Neil Hackett
; "rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk"
; "leedslist@gn.apc.org"
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 17:38
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
“It is what we learn after we know it all that really counts
“It is what we learn after we know it all that really counts”
On 2 Nov 2011, at 17:13, Richard Walker wrote:
> It's always a question of time before the real answers to our debates can be
> settled ?
>
> What did happen to Ian Harte when it was realised he didn't have the pace to
> play in
It's always a question of time before the real answers to our debates can be
settled ?
What did happen to Ian Harte when it was realised he didn't have the pace to
play in the premiership ? Obviously the list expert was telling everyone at
least a season before that he would cost us dearly.
My spare for Filbert St is now accounted for.
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PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Quite - it's not like people on here are suggesting Pugh or Becchio are
international standard.
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Sent: 02 November 2011 15:35
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; rich...@triump
I have seen him play a few times.
I would say that he has done well enough that he could play regularly for more
than half of the teams in the Premiership.
He is certainly not England class but I'm not sure he's that much worse than
Barry.
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:26:12 +
> From: ri
So on the Bradley Johnson issue - on the face of it he has proved to us
doubters that he can play football and I think I admitted as much last season
on some of his displays. He is certainly better than a pub player however I
haven't seen Norwich play this season so I can't comment. So I thought
Never said I was any sort of expert, just a paying punter with 40 years
experience of watching Leeds.
From: Richard Naef
To: 'list leedslist'
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 10:39
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
Look Mark, you don't understand - if a player is identified as "shit" by the
lis
Looks awesome! Where do I sign?!
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On 2 Nov 2011, at 12:29, "McWilliams, Brendan,VF-Group (bmcwill)"
wrote:
> Agree: our beloved LUC apart (never a dull moment) football on the whole has
> become dull with the competitively gone from the big leagues.
>
> IN SAYING THAT #1:
Agree: our beloved LUC apart (never a dull moment) football on the whole has
become dull with the competitively gone from the big leagues.
IN SAYING THAT #1: I went to see my señora's local team last Sunday, Spanish
3rd division (which is regional) and fek me it turned out to be one of the most
Thoughts are with him & family at their time of loss.
Was a very brave decision to play last night & fitting that he scored. Kudos to
the ref for showing compassion when the shirt was lifted.
As a man, I would not have been able to do what he did, and as a football fan,
I would not expected it
Sod all this football talk, much more important things going on.
I know some of you have been tracking my migration or trip to the enlightened
side/dark side (delete as you see fit) from the sarcastic response to my "sent
from my….." messages.
Just to let you know that the journey is now comple
List wise: how do we rate Becchio?
Stirring up the shit!!
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True! There are players, Johnson a case in point, who to many observers
can look err shite. Yet play the game and you suddenly understand a whole
lot more. I remember a post years ago about Jonathon Douglas, now I DID
think he was shite (Along with Roy's lad) and yet I met a pro footballer
who said
Look Mark, you don't understand - if a player is identified as "shit" by the
list experts, he is shit until the day he dies. Look at that muppet Bradley
Johnson, he was shit, all the experts agreed, and look what happened to him,
disappeared with no trace ;) it doesn't matter what happens or
Not necessarily!! More likely is that the team has had lots of coaching on
defending, that we had a semi-settled defence, and/or we are playing a system
which now suits him better – ie he is able to overlap down the left, rather
than be left to fill in the void Max left behind.
Max not play
Why is he suddenly a better defender ? Because he's had more games , pure and
simple , nothing to do with Pugh who is average at best. Do you remember Danny
Pugh first time around - scored a few goals but generally he was poor. It pains
me when people say things like , he's solid , he helps Whit
Not by the accounts I remember he wasn't.
I thought the majority view of White was, great going forward, suspect at
the back - even from Oldham fans.
He has vastly improved defensively recently, and seems to be getting forward
as much. I put this down to the fact Pugh can sit in and cover
Do you remember the Doncaster game last year when he was man of the match ? He
should have been given a run instead he was dropped and then shipped out to
Oldham, where he was a star by all accounts.
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To: Mark Humphries ; 'MATTHEW GAYNOR'
Cc: 'list leedslist'
Sent: Wedn
I deduce from that that Aidy White is a bloody good playes who is getting
better and better every game. He was playing well before Pugh came , nowt to do
with Pugh at all. Sam would be much better. Pugh doesn't do owt. Pedestrian
beyond belief - he was the same in his first spell if you remember
That the MS must go... obviously.
For the record I hope for yet doubt Grayson.
Michael
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Rich mate, at the end of the day I think Grayson is a better football
manager than you.
I can see why managers like Becchio.
Just as I can see why simply replacing Pugh with Sam won't just be a
positive influence on the side. You seem to be one for extrapolating, so
let me chuck this one in -
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