This may or may not apply. In windows 7 MS started to use security settings to
prevent images. Maybe there is something like this in Windows 8 email program.
http://ornamentalmills.com/tips/Windows_Live_Mail/index.html
-Tim
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From: regal...@juno.com
To:
On some of the earlier machines you will find serial number stickers. Nothing
more than clear Avery Labels. That practice appears to stop around the model
500/600 machines. I don't think I've seen it in the 1000 or newer machines.
Maybe someone from Legacy can answer this one?
-Tim
Today he responded that he was going off of memory and was going to head over
to his storage unit and take pictures in a few days. I'm starting to lead to
senior moment as well. His other add selling due to health reasons. If he has
someone lurking in this group I know I for one would be
On the top hat bushing, they can be rotated about six times before you need to
replace them. The real issue is checking in the first place that they fit
right. Second buy a can of dyna-glide from magnate.net. I've found the only
place you notice the wear is in the Y axis. The X just sags.
From Legacy, they were around $4.00. That was last year if I recall right.
-Tim
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From: mwfos...@earthlink.net
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: 1800 for $3K in Hickory NC
Anybody
I'm going to flag that seller as someone that does not know what they are
selling. The first post he advertised the machine as a model 1800, and he had
a picture of a model 1200 that was not his. He said his machine was definitely
a 1800 and he used the wrong picture and he would correct his
We are the woodchuck site :-). I don't recognize it as a Legacy part either.
-Tim
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From: mwfos...@earthlink.net
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: can anyone help identify this piece!
Tom Dotta has added a marker to our guestmap.
Marker message: 900 1000?
-Tim
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Tim, I thought you were getting the first evolution?
Jeff Becker
Tim Krause wrote:
Dan Healey has added a marker to our guestmap.
Marker message
That looks like the .25 reduction duplex gear to me.
-Tim
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From: mwfos...@earthlink.net
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Legacy 1800 for Sale, $3,000
Hello all,
Can anyone explain
Dan Healey has added a marker to our guestmap.
Marker message: Evolution
All the way up in Alaska!
-Tim
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Curt, those are from the model 1800.
-Tim
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From: curt george
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: joining two machines...progress report
Nice Job Joe.
I cant wait to hear about how it
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Hey, I was right. You got one of the dust collection accessories! Wow, I've
never seen one except for in a promotional video from Legacy. The motor drives
are worth the price that you paid. Did you get the 2x multiplier gear and the
.25 and the.5 reduction gears?
Congrats,
-Tim
-
There is a small demand amongst the members in this group for the railing. I'd
say 5 or 10 guys. It's been a long time since a run was made. I'm guessing 3
years at this point. I believe there was a bit of fallout between the
extruders and Legacy. The manufacturer kept increasing the
Welcome to the group. I can answer some of the questions on the Evolution.
a.. The tilting z axis has limited use. I think it's up to the new owner to
really find out it's usefulness :-).
b.. Your correct that there is no template feature on the new model. We have
talked about this a
The rail is proprietary. The profile was recently made for Legacy by a company
called SAPA. I recall in PDX Oregon, but I could be wrong about the location.
I new you and the acme company where both in New York, but to be three blocks
away is hilarious! I also have to disagree with Curt,
The cnc machines that Legacy is currently building is using 80/20 extrusion. I
don't like talking about Legacy's customer service other than to say give them
a call and see what happens.
-Tim
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From: finun...@aol.com
To:
If you're reading the messages online, you're the only one that can see the
Me. I get your messages via email and the from line is Dewell. If I read
the messages online, your name appears as, Dewell.
-Tim
- Original Message -
From: Dewell
To:
Give the folks at Dependable Acme a call and see if they can make a long screw
for you. 1-800-893-3792.
I recall 1 member that owns a model 2000. I his name was Greg Walker. Maybe
if he is still monitoring this list he might chime in regarding the acme thread
support? If he does not
will loose the
distance needed to make up the smaller gear sets. Its just a guess but one
worth thinking about?
C.A.G.
- Original Message -
From: Tim Krause
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:27 AM
Subject: Model 1000 Possible
That machine on ebay was originally listed as a model 1200 and he was asking
1800. He also listed a porter cable router that did not exist.
Mac, did you get my emails regarding that machine on craigslist? I'm starting
to really doubt that my emails are getting delivered to certain people.
You bought a woodchuck. Maybe you will get some motors!
http://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html
-Tim
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From: Dewell
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:45 PM
Subject: HEAD SCRATCHER
In July of 2004
I own two model 900's, a model 200 and the Moulding Center which was bought as
a collector piece. I make small items on my machines.
As far as legacy making the woodchuck as late as 2004, that would be news to
me. I don't have the actual dates that production stopped on that unit. In
2000
Hi All,
I'm looking at the model 1000, the old steel unit and I noticed that the
headstock and tailstock can probably be flipped and you could get a larger
capacity on the machine. In other words, the centers would be lower. Reaching
small diameter stock might be a problem after this mod,
I know some guys in my woodturning club color automotive body filler with what
I believe is acrylic pigments. They then press it into cracks and holes.
-Tim
- Original Message -
From: Bill Bulkeley
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013
Hello Dewell,
I don't think there is any way to Persuade them to do anything. Everything
is on their time schedule. Calling them 10 times a week will not help, it will
only piss them off, and that is understandable. Pre-paying does not change the
time schedule. I'm afraid your only choice
Oh Bill,
You know the answer to that question already. When they said I was going to
receive a new Evolution free of charge, they had still not made the production
run. I'm not really sure of the status anymore. I've talked with John about
it a couple of times this year, and I'm just
I wonder how many new guys are wondering about your comment Bill? If you look
back in the message archives you will find some notes on how Bill modified his
machine to make threads internally and externally.
http://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/bolts/index.html is a brief summary.
-Tim
Those tn projects you got in the manual are the one available as pdf's
on legacy's manual site. Follow the link I showed bill.
-Tim
On 7/20/2013 11:38 PM, Jeff Becker wrote:
I am not sure of the box you are thinking of but when I first got my
machine it came with 10 projects to learn the
There's the one still in the project files.
http://legacywoodworking.com/ProjectPlans.cfm I think it's the same you
are referring too.
On 7/20/2013 8:30 PM, Bill Bulkeley wrote:
Anybody out there ever bought the plans for the jewellery box off
legacy I see they are no longer available on
I consider John to be a solid member. he does not post much, but always
valued posts. Has anyone gotten that machine into the 5-600 range? The
plastic gears will hold up. They are only single direction twists for
what it's worth. http://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html
-Tim
On
This is the same machine that the guy was asking $1700 for. I don't
think he has come to his senses yet.
-Tim
On 6/29/2013 4:14 AM, curt george wrote:
Even though the 500 is very limited in its abilities, it dose have a
lead screw/rails and ... most of the parts that everyone wants.
It's a bout time Gary marked his spot on the map :-)!
Gary Moshofsky has added a marker to our guestmap.
Marker message: 1000EX
I know there are two other Oregonians and three Washingtonians that own
Legacy's equipment. What I don't know is how active any of them are. It's
been a while since I
McMaster-Carr, they are called bevel gears.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#bevel-gears/=n1ey50
-Tim
- Original Message -
From: robertobecerralo...@hotmail.com
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: HELP WITH THIS GEAR.
Hello
7297K18 is what Legacy used.
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From: robertobecerralo...@hotmail.com
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: HELP WITH THIS GEAR.
As gear that I recommended for rotary table, I could say please Tim?
for the advice. I was wondering if it could handle a full size
router. I still may contact the person to see what he used it for and maybe
take my router to see if the unit can lift it up
Harvey
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
Well, the answer
There is a brass 1/2 diameter by 3/4 long piece that bolts to the acrylic in
the slot. There are two brackets that mount off the back side of the machine
that holds your template. This operation is covered in the training video.
Curt, can you make copies at this time of the training video
That mandrel is not a legacy component. They offered a mandrel for the
models with mt2 mounts and one that worked on the model 200 and revo's.
They screwed into the spindles or mounted with a drill chuck if I
recall. What you pointed out is designed to work with normal stye lathes.
mt2
It's a model 1000 EXL.
-Tim
On 5/8/2013 1:05 AM, curt george wrote:
Hello Gary
I cant tell from the picture which model of Legacy this person is
selling, but from what I can see is,for a 72 Legacy, with floor
stand, table raiser and router. $1100 is a good price for what you get..
It would
Out of this world! What's the diameter of the piece?
-Tim
- Original Message -
From: curt george
To: Legacy Google group
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 5:14 PM
Subject: Chatter wave
Hello everyone. This is todays play time expermant. Just wanted to know what
you all
The last I heard from Andy, the machine was at the painters. That's all I know
at the moment on the Evo front.
As far as the photos, There's two issues that I'm working through. Terms of
use are for redistribution amongst members only of this group. This means
developing a login procedure
First, that is a neat wood. I've never heard of or it or seen it before.
Second, I know what you can do as a woodworker, and I think you need to do
something on the end of the gavel head. It looks too much like a mount with
the dimple in the middle. inset something in the end or smooth it
for the idea.
C.A.G.
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From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:51:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Smokem,if youve got em.
First, that is a neat wood. I've never heard
Welcome to the group Ron. You will find using your older machine is the
same principle as all the so called newer manual machines. Did you get any
training videos with the machine? If not, www.legacywoodworking.com has two
places that you should have seen already. The first place to get started
ID of your machine should be pretty easy. I have a hidden history page
here. http://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html . Also the missing
handle for the y-axis is available at several industrial suppliers but
McMaster-Carr is my preferred source for that part.
-Tim
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I don't think it is possible to do this from the side because first wouldn't
you need a rope moulding cutter profile, and second the leading or trailing
edge will be cutting into the piece depending on the contour.
Even the cnc would have to pick the profile out. It would take a while and
There is a guy that has a video called spiral into control. It has a
cable driven system that allows a laminate trimmer to follow profiles.
It's something that could be adapted to the legacy I believe. There are
clips on youtube. I'm not in the position to give you any further info
at
On 3/26/2013 8:45 PM, MAX LATHAM wrote:
I have been just using 300 grit Al2O3 paper, all you want to do is
create micro grooves in the last coat into which the next coat will bond.
max
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:59:37
I paid $325 as well. I don't recall it going any higher.
The rotary table can be used for platters, rosettes, box tops, shallow
bowls, table tops, and more.
-Tim
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Rotary table on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-Ornamental-Mill-Rotary-Indexing-Table-Milling-Router-Crafter-Free-Ship-/181105651112?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
-Tim
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I see leadscrew not rack and pinion. What makes you think it's a performance
machine? For the price I would assume turnkey.
-Tim
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From: Louis Brown
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Legacy
I recognize that machine from one of our group photos. It's an 1200, no metal
sides. I don't recall who the member is. The dust system is unique.
-Tim
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I had the compatibility problem when I bought my Craftsman router. No
one knew, but there where a couple message hidden on the net that hinted
towards it being manufactured by Bosch. I tried to get a hold of the
specification (tpi on the threads and taper angle) but I could not find
They will be available on the groups Web site (ornamentalmills.com). I'm still
working on putting a gallery together that makes navigational sense. I think
the vast majority of the photos are the same photos as seen in Legacy's online
gallery. There are some unique ones that are not posted
mortises
and 20 tenons in the bed
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2fs9s1xtggv5gww/rrh764Ojkb
or
http://tinyurl.com/auvsofh
Regards to all
David - northern tier PA
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
Is there anyone out there building anything
Hi Curt, I use the 120v version (kb-120) in a lot of my simple 90v setups.
They are easy to find in the surplus world. KB Electronics has lot's of
suitable controllers. They are easy to find used and new on ebay. They are
simple to setup and documentation is freely available on the web.
I love when we learn a new word. So a slightly curving column is the
results? The key is milling from the side. You will only be able to create
coves, not ropes.
That's where Bill's side mounted router solved that problem.
http://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/side_cutting_mod.html
It does
You would be getting the updated z-axis with router, a linear drive motor,
stand and turntable?
900 - 1325
stand - 149
Z axis up - 480
PC router - 325
Lin Drive - 925
Turn - 325
These prices would be retail value of the package back in the day. So let's say
a $3500 retail package. Fair
Hi Bill,
Sorry about the delayed answer, I think the motor is a little low on torque and
speed to drive the gear train through the screw. I see more than 5 motors
available on ebay right now that would work. It is just a matter of getting
all the components together and building a couple
Legacy used to sell a set of five indexing plates that gave you more
indexing options. They came in 28, 30, 32, 36, and 40 holes.
-Tim
On 2/16/2013 7:11 PM, mwfos...@earthlink.net wrote:
Any ideas about what they meanwith statement: 5 plate indexing?
Does that mean that tey have only 5 of
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From: Tim Krause
Sent: Feb 14, 2013 4:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pictures
No rush, no one else is posting either. I've got a table project
from
CCM that I'm
How long is the machine time on those?
On 2/15/2013 11:39 AM, stormin...@snet.net wrote:
Posted same pic twice.
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No rush, no one else is posting either. I've got a table project from
CCM that I'm looking forward to showing.
-Tim
On 2/14/2013 9:52 AM, Brandon Khoury wrote:
Sorry that I haven't had a chance to post anything yet. Super busy at work,
14-16 hour days this week. But, I just wanted to
That's the second part of the gear cover. The first part is barely shown in
the forth picture near the headstock.
-Tim
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From: Harvey Matyas
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:35 PM
Subject: Legacy for sale
I've encouraged cnc projects to be posted here since the beginning. I've even
allowed shopbot photos :-).
-Tim
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From: Stan
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:23 AM
Subject: Thanks
Thanks for all who
It's warmer in Australia, I say we meet at Bill's and raise his home and
shop :-)
-Tim
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From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Re - New toy
lets all meet at
missing.
On Feb 6, 2013 9:39 AM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
I've encouraged cnc projects to be posted here since the beginning. I've
even allowed shopbot photos :-).
-Tim
- Original Message -
From: Stan
To: legacy-ornamental-mills
There will be some more details regarding manuals and videos soon. I've been
working since this summer gathering official Legacy training videos. My
intention was to have a Library where the DVD's could be checked out. Along
with this, I will be making copies of the manuals that I have
It's an Evo that they will be sending me. Maybe if it gets here fast enough
I'll be the first one to show a video of the chips flying :-).
I thought the conversation was good. For those have problems buying parts from
Legacy, take the advice given and speak with Andy directly or John. As
Hello All,
I'm really looking forward to the live chat tommorow. I'm thinking with a
bunch of new guys trying to figure out the chat technology the agenda might
be a little ambitious. I would also hope to see a longer time spent on the
Evo.
Copied from the original message - The agenda for the
How did you find our Group on Google?
A. Google search
B. Ornamentalmills.com website
C. A forum
D. Legacy referral
E. Other
-Tim
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From: Tim Krause
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Question for Legacy Chat 2-5-2013
Ron, would you like to reword this question?
John, I KNOW what you
I still want to see the chips fly. Where's that video? A walk around is not
enough to satisfy my curiosity.
-Tim
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Hello All,
We had a member join this week that owns a MA12, one of the original models. I
hope he is finding the information that he is looking for. We have what I
consider to be a real expert in this group on the Woodchuck models so if you
have any unanswered questions, I would highly
I would look into why your machine is not moving smoothly. Got DynaGlide? If
the guides are too tight in the first place, no amount of lube or adjusting
will fix them. Constantly check for dust build up in the rails. This will
cause binding.
-Tim
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The slipping in the piece is most likely the drive center rotating in the
morse taper. Do you own a double locking collar?
-Tim
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From: Brandon Khoury blkhou...@gmail.com
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:46 PM
Subject:
It's Murphy law, on the slippage. It always works fine until the last cut
:-). The double locking collar is only available from Legacy.
http://legacywoodworking.com/products.cfm?product=82 . Here's the catch 22.
We don't own lathes. If you pound the drive center in the MT at least you
will have
Hello All,
I think the best bet on the .5x reduction gear is for me to install the gear on
your standard duplex gear. That way I know the gear works before you ever
install it on your machine. The gear will fit in a well padded medium rate
USPS flat rate box. The cost is not final, but I
Hi Mac and Brandon,
This is one of those topics that can lead to armchair quarterback moments of us
telling them how to run their business. It's a topic I like to avoid. As far
as the cart being broken, it's been Temporary Unavailable for longer than I
can remember. To order anything from
This is a little off topic. Can you MAC guys really run PC programs that are
written for .NET? Here's the root of my question, I have a pet project that is
a program that helps calculate data important to how we use our machines. I've
often thought about making it a web only application so
Another complication in the mix is I need to offer two different reduction sets
since the 1000 and earlier models use a different tooth pattern on the main
gear.
-Tim
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Actually an 1000 with upgraded z-axis and aftermarket motor setup. I'd jump on
this if I was in the market.
-Tim
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From: Begat
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:10 PM
Subject: 1200 for $1500 near St.
I don't think I'd bother with the rounded end. Just remove some material for
clearance so the male slides into the female. Without making a jig, the
male portion on the legacy is tricky. Legacy has a video using the revo
that will give you an idea of how they did it.
I was going to pass on the question to you Stan. We have a lot of shy guys
that may not post questions in public and this is a way to encourage those
questions.
-Tim
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From: Stan Shuford s...@shuford.com
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday,
I'll take a list of anonymous questions for Legacy if you feel uncomfortable
asking. Just send them to my i...@ornamentalmills.com email address. Use the
subject Discussion Questions.
-Tim
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From: mwfos...@earthlink.net
To:
I'd ask to see the gears. I'm only seeing one in the photos. You probably
also know it's a 1500L and not an 1800 since you mentioned it's a steel frame,
but it probably does not matter for your needs. I also don't see any index
plates as the seller is pointing out.
-Tim
- Original
I see a hint of the motor on the left side on one of the pictures. I think
you're ok there.
-Tim
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From: Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Steel 1800 in Cali
The y-axis is normally left open and the bearing follows the work. I'm
assuming you understand that you cut your reeds with the same taper angle
set as your piece. Depending on the size of the reeds or flute you use,
sometimes the bearing will fall into the last cut. This is where it's to
your
I'm short on time, but this diagram might help. The router bit is turning
clockwise as seen by looking down on the router bit. To make a clean shoulder
on round stock on the left side (L), you would start from the backside of the
piece and move the y axis forward while you are turning the
Brandon,
You might be able to press the insert back into the plate. Use a vise and
pinch the insert into the plate. Just look at another one of the plates to
see how it goes, it's not exotic. Personally I would buy a new one. Get a
few extras, they come in handy for all sorts of things.
I deleted the Nevada Marker.
He Have Milt in Lebanon Oregon with a Model 1200, Jeff Becker with a 900 and an
Artisan in Kentucky and VA Oak with a Model 1000.
I know 4 other Oregonians that are not on the map, I'm going to start naming
them if they don't show their faces, we got more people
Hi John,
There are very few people that I've met that own the model 800.
The Link to the Map:
http://ornamentalmills.com/map/usermap.html
Direction for placing your marker:
http://ornamentalmills.com/map/map_directions.html
-Tim
- Original Message -
From: John Becker
To:
I had caught up with him when I noticed him on another forum. He was trying to
make his own Legacy type machine. I'm really glad he's doing much better. How
funny would it be if he ends up near Bill when he gets to OZ.
-Tim
- Original Message -
From: Martinsbootfair
To:
I'm well aware John is reading, I half expected a response. :-)
I don't think you won't be disappointed with your purchase except for two
reasons. You won't use it for various reasons or it will not do something you
think is elementary.
Do you like learning new things? Can you learn
Are the splines really converted to arcs? Most cad programs create lines.
This can create jerky motions if the cam program does not simplify the
geometry.
-Tim
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From: Stan
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 6:56
Does Aspire handle splines?
- Original Message -
From: Stan
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: The miniArty
You're right George. I use TurboCan to do the drawing and import into Aspire
which generates the
There is no glue that will work with Delrin. I would think there is room to
drill and tap a hole sideways that would pinch the part together. Otherwise I
would make another part. Is the part actually loose right now? You might try
using a larger washer to spread the load a little and see
Hi Brandon,
Magnate.net carries Dynaglide as well as a few other online vendors. I would
not consider anything else. A can will last a year or more if your just using
it on the legacy. When you find out how great it is around the shop it might
go faster. :-)
The silicon will not hurt
You guys are killing me. I'm shaking my head and laughing at the same time. I
will admit I've been told I'm a hell of a salesman for Legacy even though I'm
not associated with them.
-Tim
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