Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: >> So "if we can't get rid of the click-through" is not the question. > > Replace it by "if we cannot find a license that works without > clicktrough". Well, there ain't none. Sorry, I'm over-simplifying. But the question is really simple, it's just the answer that's com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: > clicktrough > is the embodiment of impracticality. Yes. Using the data should require no agreement. Distributing modifications (and by distributing I mean "exposing in any way to users not employed or subcontracted by your co

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > It's worth clarifying that the click-through is not something that's > expressly specified in "the license" (i.e. ODBL). There are two important aspects to this. First, if we want the community to make an informed decision about whether they want the ODbL or not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > what we > want is suitable as some kind of ethics/morality stick we can use to > beat people who misbehave, even if they misbehave within the envelope of > the law. > I hope this thread has something to do with punishi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > If either the current license draft or the "brief brief" mean that in > the future, OSM data may only be offered after displaying a note to > the user and requesting him to click "ok" (or the equivalent in other > media), then this would be a significant drawback compared to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jochen Topf wrote: > I see the "click-through" is still in! Doesn't anybody else think this > is completely insane? An Open License with a click through? > [...] > If we can't get rid of the click-through, the license is, in my opinion, > absolutely not acceptible. It's worth clarifying that the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > I see the "click-through" is still in! Doesn't anybody else think this > is completely insane? An Open License with a click through? The license text didn't have anything about click-through, click- wrap, browse-wrap or whatever, it only had the bit about being a contract. If either the

[OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Jochen Topf
I see the "click-through" is still in! Doesn't anybody else think this is completely insane? An Open License with a click through? Firefox just tried this is a Beta version and it got thrown out again after a day. The wiki says: "All registered users would agree to this on signing up so will not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] My Notes on the "brief for the proposed licence"

2008-10-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I've reverted the Open Data License page on the wiki to something near its original form, as the point of it (to provide a quick, one-stop comparison between CC-BY-SA and the ODBL) was getting lost amid all the 'brief' stuff. Peter's brief initiative is now at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/i

[OSM-legal-talk] My Notes on the "brief for the proposed licence"

2008-10-17 Thread Jochen Topf
A. Bulk contributors How is "bulk contributions" in 1) 1. defined? This could lead to problems when there are hundreds of bulk contributors! My proposal: Only attribution to OSM. Bulk contributors can be on the OSM web page somewhere. B. Availability of derived dataset If I understand 1) 2.ff c