Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-25 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 25 Oct 2008, at 07:57, Jochen Topf wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:23:19AM -0700, SteveC wrote: On 23 Oct 2008, at 07:17, 80n wrote: [..] Please don't mail him personally, the worst thing would be multiple conversations as his time is valuable and they are doing this pro- bono. I'll

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Shaun McDonald wrote: Because there isn't enough time to read and answer all the mails that come to this list. It is better to bundle everything up, filtering all the duplicates and getting him to answer them all at once. Granted. Whoever does the bundling and filtering, please put

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Jonathan Harley
Rob Myers wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And the map wins. It gets more visibillity. The promise that someone will hold you in higher esteem if you abandon your principles rarely works out. I don't think this issue is anything to do with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Nic Roets
I wasn't quite sure what exactly was wrong with Rob's comments but you summed it up nicely. On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Jonathan Harley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The promise that someone will hold you in higher esteem if you abandon your principles rarely works out. I don't think this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My company (Ito World Ltd) needs to be able to combine Share-Alike data from OSM with copyright data from other sources ... IMHO Other sources are usually incompatible with SA. software and produce rendered images or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-25 Thread SteveC
On 25 Oct 2008, at 11:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: What I don't like about share-alike is the small-minded attempt to codify this giving away into something legally binding. To me, this is deeply based in a negativist, paranoid world view where everyone is out to cheat you. ... which is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Philipp Klaus Krause
Joseph Gentle schrieb: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:06 PM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like so view OSM as a cool DIY project, not a political trick we're pulling. The problem with PD is that it permits companies to take OSM data, add their own data and benefit from result without giving

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Philipp Klaus Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me the main problem with copyleft licenses is that there are so many incompatible ones of them. Here's the compatibility chart amongst creative-commons licenses:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Joseph Gentle wrote: Here's a great write-up with a guy bitching about; and concluding its better to just go PD. http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/347 There's also this SystemeD blog guy here with a spot-on 2.5 year old write-up:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph Gentle
There is talk underway to do so. However, many of us feel that splitting the user base and splitting contributions would be destructive. We could produce better maps if we cooperated. Don't you agree? -J On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:47 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I ever start a open

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Making OSM Public domain

2008-10-25 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, lots of sensible and interesting discussion Frederik I agree with all of this. I don't want to confuse the issues; but I do want more data about the opinions of average mappers than an argument on the internet can