Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Making OSM Public domain

2008-10-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 05:22:39PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: > With mapping data, you don't need to worry about DRM. As the world moves to > a net-based economy, commercial service providers will be able to restrict > you from viewing / downloading their maps whole sale. /me awaits the Affero ODbL

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Making OSM Public domain

2008-10-27 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:17:44AM -, Peter Miller wrote: > Thanks, a nice Use Case. I have just added it to the wiki so we can get a > legal opinion on it. This Use Case makes it clear that the use of the public > transport data must be protected … Personally I think public transport data sho

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Circumnavigating Share-Alike through software / now and future

2008-10-27 Thread Rob Myers
IANAL, TINLA. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My example above did *not* contain distribution of any OSM-derived work. > The items that were distributed were (a) proprietary software, (b) > proprietary data, and (c) unaltered OSM data. (c) is distribut

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Suggestion for resolving PD/SA issue

2008-10-27 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Very good post Frederick, and a good suggestion. I'm working on getting an "official" OSM mailing list for PD discussions right now. The Sunburned Surveyor On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Peter Miller > <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Circumnavigating Share-Alike through software / now and future

2008-10-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nic Roets wrote: > Unless local law explicitly allows you to create derivative works for your > own use. You don't need local law; CC-BY-SA section 3 b. says that you are allowed to *create* derivative works in any case, and then goes on with restrictions (section 4) about distributing and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Circumnavigating Share-Alike through software / now and future

2008-10-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Rob Myers wrote: >> If you instead give the customer a heavily DRMed and encrypted version >> of your data, together with some decryption/processing software and with >> an OSM data file, and make it so that the PDF is generated on the >> customer's computer, then you have moved the creation o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Circumnavigating Share-Alike through software / now and future

2008-10-27 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BY-SA 2.0 section 3.d allows you "to distribute copies or phonorecords > of, display publicly, perform publicly, and perform publicly by means > of a digital audio transmission Derivative Works" > > http://creativecommons.or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Explicitly adding some licenses in 4.4 iii

2008-10-27 Thread Rob Myers
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Philipp Klaus Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the main problems with sharealike/copyleft is the large number of > incompatible licenses. I suggest explicitly adding some important such > licenses to 4.4 iii, so we don't lock too many other free communitie

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Circumnavigating Share-Alike through software / now and future

2008-10-27 Thread Rob Myers
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you instead give the customer a heavily DRMed and encrypted version > of your data, together with some decryption/processing software and with > an OSM data file, and make it so that the PDF is generated on the > custo

[OSM-legal-talk] Explicitly adding some licenses in 4.4 iii

2008-10-27 Thread Philipp Klaus Krause
One of the main problems with sharealike/copyleft is the large number of incompatible licenses. I suggest explicitly adding some important such licenses to 4.4 iii, so we don't lock too many other free communities out from using OSM data. At least the most common ones like GPLv2 or later, LGPL, GF

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Requiring "free of charge" for db redistribution on Internet

2008-10-27 Thread Rob Myers
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andy answered that in the message you are replying to, but you edited > his answer out. D'oh. Sorry about that. :-( - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openst

[OSM-legal-talk] Use cases: Click-through

2008-10-27 Thread Peter Miller
> Frederik Ramm wrote: > I have added an extra use case on the "click-through" topic, basically > saying that we'd > like to avoid having to set up a tightly controlled environment where > everyone has to make sure to only pass the data on to people who have > agreed to some legal document beforeh

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Making OSM Public domain

2008-10-27 Thread Peter Miller
Frederik Ramm wrote: > My pet example is this: Student writes thesis on public transport, gets > lots of data from local transport authority under the provision that it > is only used for academic purposes (maybe proprietary; maybe legally > protected because drivers' whereabouts can be derived f