Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> do we really want to require the 38th party down the line to still >> attribute OSM no matter how diluted the OSM content has become? > > yes. Why should it have become diluted? The very nature of a produced work is to dilute OSM content because otherwise it w

[OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread TimSC
Frederik Ramm wrote: > TimSC wrote: > >/ What is the point in paragraph 4.3, if it can be easily side stepped? > / > We have a well working culture of attribution in science, where you > usually quote the source you took something from, but not the source > behind the source behind the source. >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: > I am beginning to conclude the ODbL is a bloated, confusing mistake. > We would be better serviced in our project goals by a simpler > license i.e. a public domain-like license. Public domain is unequivocally simpler. For many of us it is also "the right thing" to do - see the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 18:12:50 Richard Fairhurst wrote: > TimSC wrote: > > I am beginning to conclude the ODbL is a bloated, confusing mistake. > > I think your characterisation of ODbL as "bloated" and "confusing" is > grossly unfair. Well, the fact is that copyright law, the european database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread Grant Slater
2010/4/20 Iván Sánchez Ortega : > The goal of copyleft licenses (and the CC suite of licenses) is to simplify > all that... even if that means that the internal nuts and bolts have to deal > with the inmensely complex laws. > Nice simple ODbL summary: http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/s

[OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-20 Thread TimSC
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > But in five years, we have never been able to obtain clear agreement > for this. I assume this is based on gatherings of OSM members, mailing list discussions, IRC, etc. But I have never been directly asked by OSMF what the future license should be. I suspect that th

[OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and contractual obligations

2010-04-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, CC-BY-SA means that the receiver of my derived work can do what he pleases, and I must not use technical or contractual methods to keep him from it. Say I produce PNG maps that illustrate motorway traffic density, based on OSM; I give the PNG to a paying customer, that customer may now

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and contractual obligations

2010-04-20 Thread Rob Myers
On 20/04/10 21:24, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Do you agree that this is all perfectly legal - i.e. that CC-BY-SA > governs only the copyright side of things, but the contractual side is a > wholly different beast? Or do you think that by doing the above, I would > somehow illegally circumvent the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and contractual obligations

2010-04-20 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On 04/20/2010 10:24 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > CC-BY-SA means that the receiver of my derived work can do what he > pleases, and I must not use technical or contractual methods to keep him > from it. [...] > It can hardly be wrong to advise the customer upfront of what I am going

[OSM-legal-talk] Nike and (lack of) OSM attribution

2010-04-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
Hi all, Reading my RSS feeds I stumbled upon this: http://blog.oobrien.com/2010/04/nike-grid/ Seems like we caught Nike cheating on OSM data by the "characteristic kinks in the paths in [Oscar's] local park that he surveyed and that don’t appear on OS/Google/Teleatlas/Navteq et al map data."

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Nike and (lack of) OSM attribution

2010-04-20 Thread Laurence Penney
Interesting that Bing Maps is credited on the main Nike Grid page, which shows b/w aerial photography after you've watched the Flash intro and chosen a postcode: http://www.nikegrid.com/ - L On 20 Apr 2010, at 23:59, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Hi all, > > Reading my RSS feeds I stumbled up

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Nike and (lack of) OSM attribution

2010-04-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 01:35:52 Laurence Penney wrote: > Interesting that Bing Maps is credited on the main Nike Grid page, which > shows b/w aerial photography after you've watched the Flash intro and > chosen a postcode: > > http://www.nikegrid.com/ Yep. They could, instead, have spent five

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Nike and (lack of) OSM attribution

2010-04-20 Thread Richard Weait
I'll draft a letter to Nike regarding this matter. I won't send it, as it should come from an OSMF director or their assignee. I'll have it for you in an hour or so. It would be helpful if you, the hive mind, could find names, addresses and email addresses for Nike CEO (Oregon head office) Nik