Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Editing Derived Database Extracts and ODbL

2010-05-21 Thread osm . oliver . kuehn
Hi, > I don't think this distinction of >whether you can keep your database >updated or not is anywhere in the >ODbL.  If it was the way you explain >it, it would be really easy to make a >dataset containing all the >useful data and not bound by the >limitations a Derived Work bears. >You could eve

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under OD bL and CC-BY-SA started today

2010-05-21 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Weait writes: >>Surely this is two separate steps: >> >>- begin offering a licence to the whole database under ODbL, >>- stop offering a licence under CC-BY-SA. >> >>They might happen at the same time but they don't have to. >I suspect that proceeding with two active databases would be >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Editing Derived Database Extracts and ODbL

2010-05-21 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 21 May 2010 14:47, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: >>"Share-Alike: If you publicly use any adapted version of this database, >>or works produced from an adapted database, you must also offer that >>adapted database under the ODbL." >> >>(I am trusting/hoping the human readable terms match the legalese

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today

2010-05-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Ed Avis wrote: > Mike Collinson writes: > >>- When enough contributors have agreed, we cut over to licensing the current >>database under ODbL, (And a static snapshot of the database is also made >>forever >>under CC-BY-SA).  If for some reason this event never h

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today

2010-05-21 Thread Ed Avis
Mike Collinson writes: >- When enough contributors have agreed, we cut over to licensing the current >database under ODbL, (And a static snapshot of the database is also made >forever >under CC-BY-SA). If for some reason this event never happens, the fail safe is >that licensing of all contribu

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some questions about "Produced Works" under the ODbL

2010-05-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Oliver, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: > I think the "updatability" is key when distinguishing between Derived and > Produced Work. That concept is completely new and has never been brought up in the discussions around ODbL. It might work and it might not. It would be good if it worked because that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some questions about "Produced Works" under the ODbL

2010-05-21 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
>What you're saying, basically, is that making a cake loses the (or some) >properties of the ingredients, thus a produced work; making a car >doesn't, thus not produced. (Of course making a car also entails >irreversible actions but let's ignore that for the moment.) > >Transferred back to the map

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some questions about "Produced Works" under the ODbL

2010-05-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: > Consider a "produced work" of something that cannot be reproduced because > disassembling is not possible. Take a "cake" for example (kitchen wise, just > for understanding the concept). You cannot produce a another cake from the > first cake or alter it because you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Editing Derived Database Extracts and ODbL

2010-05-21 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
>"Share-Alike: If you publicly use any adapted version of this database, >or works produced from an adapted database, you must also offer that >adapted database under the ODbL." > >(I am trusting/hoping the human readable terms match the legalese.) > >So...my question is: how _useful_ does the der

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some questions about "Produced Works" under the ODbL

2010-05-21 Thread Oliver (skobbler)
>1. Is it clear that a "map tile" is an "image" within the definition of a "Produced Work"--a work (such as an >image...) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents?If not, what is the most >typical example of a Produced Work in the map context? Consider a "produced