Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 13:05, James Livingston wrote: > On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >> I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of >> well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive >> international project in many languages. I'

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 14 July 2010 14:05, James Livingston wrote: > > I.e. can the legal advice only be shared among people actually on the > > LWG conference call, and not all OSMF members? > > Who can be on the call - LWG members, any OSMF member, or anyone involved > in the project? Actually, I can't even find h

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread James Livingston
On 14/07/2010, at 10:28 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but there are probably a lot of > well known pitfalls to avoid when trying to run an inclusive > international project in many languages. I'd think having English-only > discussion at a set time conven

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread 80n
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The correct way to re-license a project is to fork it. > > I whole-heartedly disagree. Do you think that wikipedia should have > forked for their relicensing? Or Mozilla? Th

[OSM-legal-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I've split this from the original thread before it derails the one it was in any further, and cc'd legal-talk. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:57, Andy Allan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote: >>> >>> That doesn't just go for th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > The correct way to re-license a project is to fork it. I whole-heartedly disagree. Do you think that wikipedia should have forked for their relicensing? Or Mozilla? They managed to find ways to achieve relicensing without the massi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread 80n
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Andy Allan wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:32 PM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The problem is there's no time limit either. The process can be allowed > to > > drag on for another 5 years if necessary. > > That's not quite true, and I think you know tha

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread Liz
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Sam Larsen wrote: > I feel imho that the LWG do represent the vast majority of mappers, care > about the project, care about all the hard work that we all have put into > this, have noted all the concerns that have been raised and will not make > a decision that will cause too

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 July 2010 19:25, Andy Allan wrote: > However, I'd be interested in hearing what you think. Could you put > some numbers on what would make you feel comfortable? I've tried such > an exercise myself (and came to the same conclusions as the LWG in the > end) but that doesn't stop you from havi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: > I don't see a definition (or an attempt of one, or an order of magnitude > suggestion) of critical mass in that document (or any of the others). So how > is this detailed with respect to this point? If anyone can point me to > something concre

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:25 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/7/13 Kai Krueger : >> If Richard's statement relayed through Frederik of that at least 90% of data >> is an absolute minimum becomes binding, (which would still leave a huge >> amount of room for wiggeling, after all 10% of data wo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:32 PM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > The problem is there's no time limit either.  The process can be allowed to > drag on for another 5 years if necessary. > > All the time that there is uncertaintly about the license it is harming the > project.  Deterring potential c