Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2

2010-11-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "andrzej zaborowski" To: "Licensing and other legal discussions." Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2 Hi, On 18 November 2010 11:24, Francis Davey wrote: On 18 November 2010 10:14, Ed Avi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents (was: Best license for future tiles?)

2010-11-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 November 2010 22:25, Ed Avis wrote: > 80n <80n...@...> writes: > >>The relationship between ODbL and DbCL is not very clear and I'm not convinced >>that lawyers really understand the distinction between a database and it's >>content.  I'm certain that it isn't understood by most ordinary peo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents

2010-11-22 Thread Rob Myers
On 11/22/2010 10:25 PM, Ed Avis wrote: 80n<80n...@...> writes: The relationship between ODbL and DbCL is not very clear and I'm not convinced that lawyers really understand the distinction between a database and it's content. I'm certain that it isn't understood by most ordinary people. I w

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Use Case

2010-11-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Xavier, On 22 November 2010 22:03, Xavier Loiseau wrote: > 1. You don't have to release what you haven't got. So if the only thing > required for your application to work is the *location* then just store the > location and not the address. You can still dump the address to a log file > on inp

[OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents (was: Best license for future tiles?)

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Avis
80n <80n...@...> writes: >The relationship between ODbL and DbCL is not very clear and I'm not convinced >that lawyers really understand the distinction between a database and it's >content.  I'm certain that it isn't understood by most ordinary people. I work with databases every day and I don't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2

2010-11-22 Thread SimonPoole
Sorry folks, but you are really kidding yourselves if you think (1) a and b are at all workable. On the one hand you are requiring "Joe Wellintendening Mapper" to determine if two licenses (typically in a foreign tongue and at least one of them rather complex) are legally compatible. This hasn't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Use Case

2010-11-22 Thread Xavier Loiseau
Hi Frederik, Thank you for your previous answers. I sill have a couple of remarks and questions. > 1. You don't have to release what you haven't got. So if the only thing > required for your application to work is the *location* then just store the > location and not the address. You can s

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Rob Myers
On 11/22/2010 07:24 PM, Kevin Peat wrote: Are there any concrete examples of share-alike actually benefitting OSM? There's at least one major data contribution that came about because of BY-SA I believe. It seems like a good thing for software projects but for OSM I don't really see the be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] openstreetmap in some flash advertising

2010-11-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 22 November 2010 13:43, Johnny Rose Carlsen wrote: > Rob Myers wrote: >> On 11/21/2010 08:53 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> > >> > Legally they might have to attribute OSM but I'm really thankful >> > they don't, because what they have to sell is some shady software >> > that claims to be ab

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Avis
Simon Ward writes: >I’d like to see all mandatory “agreements” to the CTs so far to be >disregarded, and mandatory agreement to the CTs be removed for new >sign‐ups. All users may fairly be informed about the licensing options, >and where they can indicate their preference. At this point we >de

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm writes: >>That's one reason why I think a dual licence under both the proposed new >>licences and the existing CC-BY-SA is a good idea - because it provides a >>guarantee beyond doubt that all currently allowed uses of the map data will >>still be okay. > >For me, as a PD advocate,