Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: >> I've always understood that the intent of the >> ODbL was not to change the spirit of OSM licensing, just to clarify it. > > Whose intent are we talking about, here? Put another way, feel f

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: > On 03/02/11 10:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> >> Jonathan Harley wrote: >>> >>> Making it impossible to make works where not all of the elements >>> are free does nothing to protect the freedom of individuals to use >>> OSM. >> >> That's as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: > On 03/02/11 04:21, Anthony wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Harley  wrote: >>> I think we may have differing interpretations of the intent of the >>> license. >>> Mine is that the license is supposed to allow people to use

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Rob Myers
On 02/03/2011 10:13 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: In other words, yes, we have a different view of the intent. BY-SA is not a permissive or gift economy licence, it is a copyleft licence. Its intent is precisely to ensure that the freedom to use the work is inalienable. Making it impossible

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 03/02/11 10:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Making it impossible to make works where not all of the elements are free does nothing to protect the freedom of individuals to use OSM. That's as may be, but to restate the point made by Frederik, you can't simply wish away wha

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 03/02/11 04:21, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/02/11 18:00, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: On 02/02/11 17:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Clearly no rendering of any map is going to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jonathan Harley wrote: > Making it impossible to make works where not all of the elements > are free does nothing to protect the freedom of individuals to use > OSM. That's as may be, but to restate the point made by Frederik, you can't simply wish away what the licence _actually_ _says_, simpl

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 02/02/11 18:58, Rob Myers wrote: On 02/02/2011 06:47 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: I think we may have differing interpretations of the intent of the license. Mine is that the license is supposed to allow people to use the map in a variety of ways, online and in print, so long as any new data i