Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-08 Thread Phil Monger
Alex, I wouldn't worry too much about this. You simply state that the mapping (including any derivative elements) is CC-By-SA. Anything you have added to the map that is not derivative or based on it (i.e. your Logo) remains (C). If anyone wants to actually scan that map, and try to sell

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-08 Thread Alexrk
Frederik Ramm schrieb am 08.06.2010 00:50: There are lots of business models that work with share-alike data; it is just that the old business models which are exclusively based on pay me or I sue you don't work. Hmm, if I buy OSM-related consulting services at Geofabrik and don't pay for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Alexrk wrote: Hmm, if I buy OSM-related consulting services at Geofabrik and don't pay for it - you don't wanna sue me? *zwinker* I'd probably just sell the debt to a collection agency ;-) Geofabrik sells a lot of custom data extracts where the customer gets exactly what they want,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-08 Thread Manuel Reimer
Alexrk wrote: Am I right that such a tourist map could only be published under a CC-like license again? In other words, if I do so and sell just one copy of that map, any Big Publishing Co could duplicate and sell the same on its own for ..hmm.. half the price? Why not? As long as only the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Alex, Alexrk wrote: Am I right that such a tourist map could only be published under a CC-like license again? In other words, if I do so and sell just one copy of that map, any Big Publishing Co could duplicate and sell the same on its own for ..hmm.. half the price? Correct. So if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 7 June 2010 21:40, Alexrk alex...@yahoo.de wrote: Frederik Ramm schrieb am 07.06.2010 19:36: So if that interpretation of CC-BY-SA is correct, practically no one would be able to do really creative things with OSM if she or he would like to get a ROI on that work? Our standard reply

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Alex, Alexrk wrote: You might like AZ (or Falk or whatever) or not - but please don't underestimate the creative work of cartographers. Making a good readable, fine-looking paper map is far more than installing Mapnik, choosing some color styles and pressing the render-button. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Thread Alexrk
Frederik Ramm schrieb am 07.06.2010 22:55: Incidentally that it also the reason why I am against share-alike licenses - because they are rooted in IP, in the idea that our work of recording stuff around us somehow entitles us to dictate our terms and conditions to others. Just like you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Alex, Alexrk wrote: Lets assume someone works two weeks - hunch darkly night after night over Adobe Illustrator, coming up with a handmade city map of Hamburg. OK voila nice, now lets try to sell it in a small edition of printed copies (BoD or whatsoever). But why should one invest two