Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-05-10 Thread Michal Palenik
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:09:08AM -0700, Luis Villa wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: represents a quantitatively substantial part of the general contents of the protected database. A quantitatively negligible part of the contents of a

[OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-05-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
All, Although I have not read up on any database legal cases (and do not have the time to), I do have some concerns as to the definition of substantial. My assumption is that insubstantial use means that the ODBL does not apply (and therefore attribution and share-alike does not apply). If this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-05-03 Thread Michael Collinson
Luis, Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments, I hope you don't mind that I've referenced the mail link on the page for resource reading! On 30/04/2014 00:10, Luis Villa wrote: I think it is pretty clear that this rule is only for OSM/ODBL, but it wouldn't hurt to make that more

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-05-02 Thread Paul Norman
From: Luis Villa [mailto:lvi...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:09 AM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial Without going further into the details of the many drafting shortcomings of ODBL (which, to be clear

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-04-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
contains a long discussion of what might be considered substantial in a geo context post-BHB: http://edina.ac.uk/projects/grade/gradeDigitalRightsIssues.pdf Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Guideline-review-Substantial-tp5804512p5804651.html

[OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Norman
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guidelin e for guideline text. The Open Data License defines a term 'Substantial' which is then used in the License to define a threshold about when certain clauses come into effect. Substantial is a term defined in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-04-29 Thread Luis Villa
[Before addressing these technical legal issues, I should note that I represent the Wikimedia Foundation, not OSM/the OSM community. While I hope that in most cases the perspective of the WMF and the perspective of OSM are in alignment, OSM members and the OSMF should definitely seek their own

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Norman
From: Luis Villa [mailto:lvi...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:10 PM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial Reminder that Simon has pointed out here quite recently that ODBL claims to be a binding contract