[OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
We Croatian OSM contributers noticed that user srpskicrv started mapping in Croatia somethings that we had no GPS traces, and also in Bosnia and Serbia. Guys asked srpskicrv what are his sources and he gave us this link: http://www.vgi.mod.gov.rs/proizvodi/analogni/tk25exyu/tk25a_exyu.html We d

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-02 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:02:16 +, Ed Avis wrote: > Or does srpskicrv mean that the mapping agency of Serbia is the only > entity that claims copyright, and further that it has released the maps > to the public domain? Here is his answer: Okay, even if I dont have time (this is the rea

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/02/2010 03:43 PM, Ed Avis wrote: This is pretty clear, then: OSM also needs to be usable on Serbian territory, so it can't use the maps. Right... and OSM needs to be usable in India too, so it must show Kashmir as belonging to India as it would otherwise be illegal. And of course O

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-02 Thread edodd
>>those maps (the datas on them) are FREE (as long as you dont use it on >>Serbian terretory). > > This is pretty clear, then: OSM also needs to be usable on Serbian > territory, > so it can't use the maps. > I think that the argument is not that. The argument is really 'Is the Serbian government

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 October 2010 01:48, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Right... and OSM needs to be usable in India too, so it must show Kashmir as > belonging to India as it would otherwise be illegal. And of course OSM must > be usable in Pakistan so it must show Kashmir as disputed territory > otherwise it would be i

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/03/2010 04:31 AM, John Smith wrote: None of those examples applies since it was a question about copyright ownership. I don't see why we should treat a nation state's laws about copyright any different than a nation state's idiosyncratic laws about maps or surveying. If you are in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-03 Thread Francis Davey
On 2 October 2010 23:29, wrote: > I think that the argument is not that. > The argument is really > 'Is the Serbian government the legal successor of the Yugoslav government > in Serbian territories?' > Would an international court give the rights to the Serbian government? > I think that there i

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 October 2010 17:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I don't see why we should treat a nation state's laws about copyright any > different than a nation state's idiosyncratic laws about maps or surveying. > If you are in Serbia and violate their copyright you'll end up being > questioned by the authori

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-03 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:48:39 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/02/2010 03:43 PM, Ed Avis wrote: >> This is pretty clear, then: OSM also needs to be usable on Serbian territory, >> so it can't use the maps. > > Right... and OSM needs to be usable in India too, so it must show > Kashmir a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-03 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:41:00 +0100, Francis Davey wrote: > On 2 October 2010 23:29, wrote: >> The argument is really >> 'Is the Serbian government the legal successor of the Yugoslav government >> in Serbian territories?' > > If (say) Serbia were to use OSMF or an OSM user in London, the local >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-07 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 08:21:12 +0200, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > Just an observation : > These maps look just like if not identical to the russian topographical > maps. mike Are russian topographical maps free usable with OSM? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blo

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-07 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 08:21:12 +0200, > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > >> Just an observation : >> These maps look just like if not identical to the russian topographical >> maps. mike > > Are russian topographical maps free usable wi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-07 Thread Michael Barabanov
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:09 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com < jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > that is another contentious issue, they are defactor public domain IMHO. > mike > > AFAIK, not in Russia. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-10 Thread Ulf Möller
Am 02.10.2010 14:36, schrieb Valent Turkovic: Here is his answer: Those countries have their own geogrphical or geodesist institutes. So: the VGI is selling those OLD prints and they have still an copyright on reproduction of those papers, BUT NOT THE CONTAINED DATA !!! The fact that the ne

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal or not? user srpskicrv and source = TOPO 25 VGI BEOGRAD

2010-10-10 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Ulf Möller wrote: > Am 02.10.2010 14:36, schrieb Valent Turkovic: >> I agree that it is a grey zone, but who will say that its illegal? > > OSM doesn't accept data from grey zones It'll be interesting to see how the ODbL switchover takes place, then.