Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-12 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, 2009/12/12 James Livingston : > One of the claimed problems with CC-BY-SA was that users were worried that > they could be sued by any contributor for copyright infringement. > > Aside from any "can the data have copyright rights" questions, if OSMF was to > claim some copyright in the data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-11 Thread Gervase Markham
On 08/12/09 15:14, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > Right, so this is one thing that isn't being made so clear. It's been > said multiple times that the ODbL transition in summary is the spirit > of CC-By-SA taken and made into a proper license for a database. But > actually it's the spirit of CC-By-S

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-11 Thread Gervase Markham
On 09/12/09 09:48, Ed Avis wrote: > A related question is that if a fork happened, could it then be merged back > into the main OSM project? Just like any other ODbL contribution, this could only be done if the contributors signed the Contributor Terms, or the OSMF agreed to waive the signing of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-11 Thread James Livingston
On 12/12/2009, at 7:07 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > But if the foundation wants to have copyright in the data I think > it's trivial for it to have some by doing *some* of the maintenance > edits on behalf of the foundation or one person (or more) transferring > their rights instead of everyone

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-11 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/12/11 James Livingston : > Some other potential points against using copyright transfer: > * Given one of the arguments against CC-BY-SA is that in some jurisdictions > the data isn't subject to copyright, copyright assignment of the data would > be a bit questionable. > * Businesses and gover

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-11 Thread Rob Myers
On 11/12/09 10:26, James Livingston wrote: > > * You wouldn't be able to use data you personally collected, except under the > ODbL (the last part of the second sentence on the second paragraph above). I believe that the FSF copyright assignment scheme licences your work back to you once you sig

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-11 Thread James Livingston
On 09/12/2009, at 11:46 AM, Anthony wrote: > A transfer of copyright is a transfer of exclusive rights. In the US, and > probably in other jurisdictions as well, it must be signed and in writing. > > One key difference is that someone who is granted a nonexclusive license does > not have the po

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-09 Thread Ed Avis
A related question is that if a fork happened, could it then be merged back into the main OSM project? -- Ed Avis ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Matt Amos wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Matt Amos wrote: > >> it's in that spirit, but it's also worth pointing out that we aren't > >> asking for copyright assignment or any other righ

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Matt Amos wrote: >> it's in that spirit, but it's also worth pointing out that we aren't >> asking for copyright assignment or any other rights assignment. that's >> a subtle, but often important diff

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony wrote: > The Contributor Terms actually still aren't clear about what exactly *is* > happening. The ODbL only applies to the database as a whole, not the > individual data. The individual data is supposed to be licensed under a > different license. > Or,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread 80n
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Matt Amos wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski > wrote: > > 2009/12/8 Matt Amos : > >> On Tuesday, December 8, 2009, Anthony wrote: > >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, >>> 'cvml', 'mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk');>> wrote: > >>> > >>

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Matt Amos wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski > wrote: > > 2009/12/8 Matt Amos : > >> On Tuesday, December 8, 2009, Anthony wrote: > >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, >>> 'cvml', 'mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk');>> wrote: > >>> > >>>

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Amos
On Tuesday, December 8, 2009, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, > 'mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk');>> wrote: > > > A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to > be forked? > > Technically, it does.  But remember that the OSMF is granted a special > lice

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, wrote: > >> A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to >> be forked? >> > > Technically, it does. But remember that the OSMF is granted a special > license in addition to the ODbL. Any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, wrote: > A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to > be forked? > Technically, it does. But remember that the OSMF is granted a special license in addition to the ODbL. Any fork would be at a major disadvantage as it wouldn't have tha

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:52 PM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM,   wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to >> > be forked? >> >> Why not? >> >> Th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread 80n
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to > > be forked? > > Why not? > > The code is in svn and has been for ages, ready for forking. Of > course, you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, wrote: > > Hi, > > A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to > be forked? Why not? The code is in svn and has been for ages, ready for forking. Of course, you can't change the license on the GPL code that you fork without re-writing i

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Rob Myers
2009/12/8 : > > A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to > be forked? Yes. The fork must be under the ODbL. (I am not a lawyer, etc.) - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreet

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread Grant Slater
2009/12/8 : > A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to > be forked? Yes it does. The LWG sought specific legal advise on this. We wouldn't be an open project if this was not allowed. / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list leg

[OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-08 Thread mapping
Hi, A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to be forked? There are pros and cons either way, I just wanted clarity. It does not seem to be in the use cases.(?) Regards, TimSC ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@o