Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-31 Thread LM_1
Generally there should be less incompatible data every day, however there still some imports of non-copyrightable (PD, government licensed) that were uploaded by users who did not agree to CT. Because of this the incompatibility test would have to be re-run periodically. (and maybe if some problems

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-31 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 30/01/12 23:41, LM_1 wrote: ... That said there are other ways to ensure the goal of this suggestion - seamless transition rather than deletions and angry/leaving contributors. One that comes to my mind and does not require any drastic changes would utilise filtering feature of JOSM (and requ

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-30 Thread Nick Hocking
Ian wrote "Reasons to change the licence fast? Because editors are still changing nonCT objects - information is still being added to the map every day that is going to be deleted. Bad enough we are losing the nonCT data, worse that we should risk losing new CT data. Also, there are editors han

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-30 Thread Ian Sergeant
LM_1 wrote on 31/01/2012 10:41:00 AM: > If API is not changed to serve the cleaned version of data, it would > be good to have at least some editor-side tool to revert selected > object to the clean state and then repair/edit it as it should be. Every time I see this mentioned, I feel compelled

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-30 Thread LM_1
Since I am mentioned in the first post, I should probably react too: It was not a deeply thought through proposal, just a general idea. And I still believe a good one. I can imagine that changing the API itself is a lot of work. Much worse, it serves as a public interface that unknown number of cli

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-28 Thread Mike N
On 1/28/2012 8:30 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: There is nothing fundamentally wrong or impossible about that. But it does introduce more work for us (because we would have to implement a way for the API to reject changes to tainted objects). A notice could originate in the 2 most popular editor

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-28 Thread ant
Hi, On 28.01.2012 14:02, "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" wrote: In a recent discussion on talk-cz Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) have suggested it would be good to have an extra phase (couple of months) in which only untainted edits would be accepted. This would prevent users to put their time into something th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-28 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Or, in other words, do you have reason to believe that a three-month > "only edits to non-tainted objects accepted" phase would actually make > people re-map more and better compared to the phase we are in now? And > if so, why? Can we agree on the fact, that some of the rec

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Petr, In a recent discussion on talk-cz Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) have suggested it would be good to have an extra phase (couple of months) in which only untainted edits would be accepted. This would prevent users to put their time into something that will be gone after final cut-off and it would pro

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL implementation plan - extra phase proposal

2012-01-28 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Hello, currently we're at "phase 4" of Implementation Plan for ODbL and closing on the final data cut-off. Database currently contains the mix of ODbL+CT (in)compliant data and it is possible to edit them all. And that's unfortunate, because when the final cut-off is done, we lose not only data f