Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-03-03 Thread Hendrik Oesterlin
"Pieren" pier...@gmail.com wrote on 21/02/2013 at 23:22:54 +1100 subject "[OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France" : > I'm submitting here a question about the legality of keeping French > long hiking routes called "GR" or "

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > More philosophically the idea of someone claiming copyright on walking > routes seems completely at odds with the nature of countryside walking, > which to my mind has similar free and open values to open source software > and data (the land

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works; sound recordings, films or broadcasts; and the typographical arrangement of published editions". French law appears to have no such limitation. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Q

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > [reordered to place copyright matters together] >> From: Pieren [mailto:pier...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:26 AM >> To: Licensing and other legal discussions. >> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk]

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>> Second issue : it is maybe a more specific French issue here because >> the "routes" themselves can be copyrighted when they are considered as >> "original work". A famous case confirmed this with the IGN (publishing >> the FFRP maps) sueing a guidebook editor [5] and confirmed by the >> highest

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Nick Whitelegg
-Steve Bennett wrote: - To: "Licensing and other legal discussions." From: Steve Bennett Date: 22/02/2013 03:12AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Pieren wrote: > First issue : it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Are they aware that all the data has been created independently, by > surveying the trail - not by actually copying their data? I think you mix two things : the physical trails, paths which are not copyrighted and not discussed here. And the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Eric Sibert
On what basis do they claim ownership of the routes, exactly? As I understand it, many of these routes link up lots of little trails that had been around for decades. How did copyright get transferred from the people who created the trails to the FFRP? Or do they claim ownership only over new sect

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Pieren wrote: > First issue : it is the hiking route names themselves. For all of them > created by the FFRP, the names are registered trademarks and cannot be > used without permission (see question below). Second issue : the > routes themselves are copyrighted.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Eric SIBERT
This point has been long discussed on our local list. What you see on the ground is the trail markers. One problem is that the markers are also copyrighted (the colours and shapes) like a logo. Of course, if you put the McDonalds logo on OSM maps, McDo will be happy for the free ads and maps are n

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Paul Norman
[reordered to place copyright matters together] > From: Pieren [mailto:pier...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:26 AM > To: Licensing and other legal discussions. > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes > in France > > Again, y

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > I cannot see that indicating that there are signs with a particular text on > the ground is infringing their trademark. I'd expect most name=* values on > POIs in OSM to be a trademark (although not necessarily registered). I've > tagged Coca-

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Pieren [mailto:pier...@gmail.com] > Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in > France > > Hi all, > > I'm submitting here a question about the legality of keeping French long > hiking routes called "GR" or "GRP&q

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Nick Whitelegg
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org From: Pieren Date: 21/02/2013 12:24PM Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France Hi all, I'm submitting here a question about the legality of keeping French long hiking routes called "GR" or "GRP" or &quo

[OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-21 Thread Pieren
Hi all, I'm submitting here a question about the legality of keeping French long hiking routes called "GR" or "GRP" or "PR" in OSM. All these routes are very well known, have sign posts and references on the ground, e.g. the "GR20" in Corsica (but many are still missing or very incomplete in OSM)