On what basis do they claim ownership of the routes, exactly? As I
understand it, many of these routes link up lots of little trails that
had been around for decades. How did copyright get transferred from
the people who created the trails to the FFRP? Or do they claim
ownership only over new
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Are they aware that all the data has been created independently, by
surveying the trail - not by actually copying their data?
I think you mix two things : the physical trails, paths which are not
copyrighted and not
-Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: -
To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com
Date: 22/02/2013 03:12AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in
France
On Thu, Feb 21
Second issue : it is maybe a more specific French issue here because
the routes themselves can be copyrighted when they are considered as
original work. A famous case confirmed this with the IGN (publishing
the FFRP maps) sueing a guidebook editor [5] and confirmed by the
highest court in
Eric Sibert wrote:
They established a route that for instance allows to from city A
to city B but not with the short way. Instead, it is going left and
right to visit points of interest, alpine hutch and so on. They
claim that such a work is an original work.
Yes, I can see that. I've
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Nick Whitelegg
nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote:
More philosophically the idea of someone claiming copyright on walking
routes seems completely at odds with the nature of countryside walking,
which to my mind has similar free and open values to open source
IANAL but just a thought... is it legal anyway to copyright route references?
That is what the GRs appear to me to be to my eyes.
Can the Department of Transport copyright the reference M25 in the uk and
prohibit its use in all other publications?
Nick
-Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Pieren [mailto:pier...@gmail.com]
Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in
France
Hi all,
I'm submitting here a question about the legality of keeping French long
hiking routes called GR or GRP or PR in OSM. All these routes are
very well known, have
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
I cannot see that indicating that there are signs with a particular text on
the ground is infringing their trademark. I'd expect most name=* values on
POIs in OSM to be a trademark (although not necessarily registered). I've
[reordered to place copyright matters together]
From: Pieren [mailto:pier...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Licensing and other legal discussions.
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes
in France
Again, you have to understand
This point has been long discussed on our local list. What you see on
the ground is the trail markers. One problem is that the markers are
also copyrighted (the colours and shapes) like a logo. Of course, if
you put the McDonalds logo on OSM maps, McDo will be happy for the
free ads and maps are
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
First issue : it is the hiking route names themselves. For all of them
created by the FFRP, the names are registered trademarks and cannot be
used without permission (see question below). Second issue : the
routes themselves are
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