Re: initramfs - why not?

2005-10-31 Thread Zachary Kotlarek
On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Bryan Kadzban wrote: Well, initramfs, not initrd. They are different: 1) I believe an initramfs is mounted earlier than an initrd would be 2) an initramfs would do more than just load required modules 3) there is no FS on the initramfs image (it's just a cpio-form

Re: initramfs - why not?

2005-10-31 Thread Juerg Billeter
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 19:39 -0800, Jim Gifford wrote: > Have they ever figured out how when your build a kernel to add the > modules that your building into the initramf? So you can have a complete > modular system? I currently use a separate initramfs image and I build that right after building

Re: Minor grammar issue in Tcl installation

2005-10-31 Thread Chris Staub
Chris Staub wrote: "The TZ=UTC parameter sets the time zone to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), also known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), but only for the duration of the test suite run." I certainly know that this means "the timezone is set to UTC just for the testsuite" but due to the way i

Minor grammar issue in Tcl installation

2005-10-31 Thread Chris Staub
"The TZ=UTC parameter sets the time zone to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), also known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), but only for the duration of the test suite run." I certainly know that this means "the timezone is set to UTC just for the testsuite" but due to the way it's phrased I was ju

Re: initramfs - why not?

2005-10-31 Thread Jim Gifford
Have they ever figured out how when your build a kernel to add the modules that your building into the initramf? So you can have a complete modular system? -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] LFS User # 2577 Registered Linux User # 299986 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listi

Annoucement - CLFS

2005-10-31 Thread Jim Gifford
The CLFS Project. Cross Linux From Scratch is a book dedicated to building on various architectures. Currently we have Alpha, Sparc, PowerPC, x86, and x86_64 architectures in the book. Cross LFS will teach you how to build a cross architecture toolchain, that can be utilized to create a LFS

Re: initramfs - why not?

2005-10-31 Thread Doug Ronne
On 10/31/05, Bryan Kadzban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The process of creating the image is hard to figure out (or at least, it > was hard for me to figure out), but that's what the book would be > teaching. > > Maybe I should try to write a hint instead. ;-) I've been wondering what an initramf

Re: initramfs - why not?

2005-10-31 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Zachary Kotlarek wrote: > with an initrd I'd need to maintain a whole set of binaries and > libraries in a file systems that doesn't get used except for the > first 5 seconds after boot. While there are certainly things you can > do with an initrd I've never seen the benefits as outweighing the

Re: config.site questions

2005-10-31 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Lennon Cook wrote: > The idea of it is that the options to configure simply cause it to set > some vars. To find the right values for everything, configure parses > the command line options, then parses config.site, then applies it's > defaults. config.site is just a shell script. So, we can set >

Re: initramfs - why not?

2005-10-31 Thread Zachary Kotlarek
On Oct 31, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Bryan Kadzban wrote: What I'm wondering is, for anyone that doesn't think an initramfs is good, why do you think that? For all the reasons you listed below -- with an initrd I'd need to maintain a whole set of binaries and libraries in a file systems that doe

Re: config.site questions

2005-10-31 Thread Lennon Cook
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I don't see how PREFIX is set. When I look at configure, thee is the > code: [...] > Secondly, can I use this file to do more than define prefix and the > other directories? For instance, in KDE, I would like to automatically > define --enable-final --disable-debug and > --

config.site questions

2005-10-31 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > >> In any case, are you asking that Cross-LFS investigate the idea of >> using a >> config.site for their build? > > > Yes, for both Cross-LFS and regular LFS. I was not aware of config.site and feel it may be appropriate for some packages

initramfs - why not?

2005-10-31 Thread Bryan Kadzban
I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.14, and I remember discussions about that version, udeveventrecorder, initramfs, and getting rid of coldplug -- and the whole hotplug package -- happening several times now. What I'm wondering is, for anyone that doesn't think an initramfs is good, why do you think

Re: LFS 6.1.1 Release Date?

2005-10-31 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Steve Prior wrote: The Glibc 2.3.4 patch (which solves the ssh issue) doesn't seem to be listed among the bugs - has it been included anyway? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/testing/chapter03/patches.html http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/testing/chapter06/glibc.html Looks lik

Re: config.site

2005-10-31 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 03:15:30PM -0700, Archaic wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:53:11AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > > > > On the second thought, I tend to agree that there is no need to use > > config.site in regular LFS, IF a permission is granted to deviate and > > use config.s

Re: config.site

2005-10-31 Thread Archaic
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:53:11AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > > On the second thought, I tend to agree that there is no need to use > config.site in regular LFS, IF a permission is granted to deviate and > use config.site instead of the official LFS instructions for the purpose > of

Re: LFS 6.1.1 Release Date?

2005-10-31 Thread Steve Prior
Matthew Burgess wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Matt, we have a release date in mind? Barring no further issues cropping up, I'd like to get a pre-release out some time this week (the sooner the better). http://bugs.linuxfromscratch.org/buglist.cgi?&product=Linux+From+Scratch&target_milesto

Re: LFS 6.1.1 Release Date?

2005-10-31 Thread Matthew Burgess
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Matt, we have a release date in mind? Barring no further issues cropping up, I'd like to get a pre-release out some time this week (the sooner the better). http://bugs.linuxfromscratch.org/buglist.cgi?&product=Linux+From+Scratch&target_milestone=6.1.1 shows two remain

Re: config.site

2005-10-31 Thread Richard A Downing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Dan Nicholson wrote: > >> Because the current way has symlinks /usr/man -> /usr/share/man, etc. >> It would be nice to get rid of these depending on how picky you are. > > > Why don't we just have a regular /usr/man directory? Why get rid of > the