Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-05 19:50 GMT+08:00 Armin K. : >> On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> xinglp wrote: 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > xinglp wrote: >> When boot into systemd, got the below message: > > Lets work the problems one at a time. >>> >>

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Armin K. wrote: > On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> xinglp wrote: >>> 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : xinglp wrote: > When boot into systemd, got the below message: Lets work the problems one at a time. >> > [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf:25] Unknown g

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 19:50 GMT+08:00 Armin K. : > On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> xinglp wrote: >>> 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : xinglp wrote: > When boot into systemd, got the below message: Lets work the problems one at a time. >> > [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/syst

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread Armin K.
On 04/05/2014 05:50 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > xinglp wrote: >> 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : >>> xinglp wrote: When boot into systemd, got the below message: >>> >>> Lets work the problems one at a time. > [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf:25] Unknown group 'systemd-journal'. >

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-05 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 21:16:01 -0700 > From: Bryan Kadzban > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev > > > > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I did have a private email with a volunteer to write a hint. If I get > > that, I&

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: >> However, if someone (like me...) *really really* doesn't want systemd, >> and knows it from the get-go, shouldn't they avoid building all the other >> junk like libacl / libattr / expat / *dbus* / etc., too? The current >> list of packages that are only

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I did have a private email with a volunteer to write a hint. If I get >> that, I'll add a note in the systemd section that points there. > > I saw a commit mail to -book that added the hint link. > > However, if someone (like me...) *really really* does

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I did have a private email with a volunteer to write a hint. If I get > that, I'll add a note in the systemd section that points there. I saw a commit mail to -book that added the hint link. However, if someone (like me...) *really really* doesn't want systemd, and knows it

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-05 10:59 GMT+08:00 William Harrington : >> >> On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: >> >>> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >>> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. >> >> View the README in the systemd-xxx/ sou

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : >> xinglp wrote: >>> When boot into systemd, got the below message: >> >> Lets work the problems one at a time. >>> [/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf:25] Unknown group 'systemd-journal'. >> >> Something else I forgot. What happens if you ad

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 10:59 GMT+08:00 William Harrington : > > On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: > >> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. > > View the README in the systemd-xxx/ source directory or at /us

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 10:59 GMT+08:00 William Harrington : > > On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: > >> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. > > View the README in the systemd-xxx/ source directory or at /us

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-05 11:04 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > xinglp wrote: >> When boot into systemd, got the below message: > > Lets work the problems one at a time. > >> [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. >> See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. >>

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > When boot into systemd, got the below message: Lets work the problems one at a time. > [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. > See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. > ---split--- > root [ ~ ]# systemctl status

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread William Harrington
On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:44 PM, xinglp wrote: > [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. > See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. View the README in the systemd-xxx/ source directory or at /usr/share/ systemd-xxx/README and make sure your kernel op

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
When boot into systemd, got the below message: [FAILED] Failed to start Create Volatile Files and Directories. See 'systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service' for details. ---split--- root [ ~ ]# systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service -

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 08:35:34PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > > I'm now sufficiently interested by this to try a _minimal_ build > > (i.e. LFS and not much else - many of the things I normally build > > before rebooting have their own local bootscripts, which will > > pro

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:44:22PM +0200, Denis Mugnier wrote: > On 04/04/2014 18:41, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Denis Mugnier wrote: > >> > >> It is possible to integrate eudev on the BLFS book to provide a solution > >> without the systemd package? > > Not without changing the flow. I understand the

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 11:49:14AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > >> The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are named > >> set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are > >> a lot of changes there. > > > > Why /usr/local ? They will b

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Denis Mugnier
On 04/04/2014 18:41, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Denis Mugnier wrote: >> Hi >> >> On 04/04/2014 02:02, Ken Moffat wrote: >>> I'm sorry to see eudev disappear from the book after its brief >>> appearance, but more power to your elbow for providing the two >>> alternative init systems. >> I'm sorry too.

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: >> The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are named >> set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading Chapter 7 as there are >> a lot of changes there. > > Why /usr/local ? They will be an intrinsic part of LFS if this all > works out. Some of us occasionall

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Denis Mugnier wrote: > Hi > > On 04/04/2014 02:02, Ken Moffat wrote: >>I'm sorry to see eudev disappear from the book after its brief >> appearance, but more power to your elbow for providing the two >> alternative init systems. > I'm sorry too. > > It is possible to integrate eudev on the BLFS

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Pierre Labastie wrote: >> -- Bruce > Built using jhalfs, with all final testsuites: > Errors (FWIW): > - glibc : 2 errors (+ 2 ignored), seems as usual > - coreutils : 1 error (test/misc/nohup) > - bash (a few, not sure, seems similar to usual) > - bc (a few, similar to usual) > - systemd : 2

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Denis Mugnier
Hi On 04/04/2014 02:02, Ken Moffat wrote: > I'm sorry to see eudev disappear from the book after its brief > appearance, but more power to your elbow for providing the two > alternative init systems. I'm sorry too. It is possible to integrate eudev on the BLFS book to provide a solution withou

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Pierre Labastie
Le 04/04/2014 00:11, Bruce Dubbs a écrit : > I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. > > The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with the > ability to reconfigure and come up in the other system. > > The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are name

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
akhiezer wrote: > > SVN-20140403 : > -- > * Appendix C. 'Dependencies': > - still got an entry for eudev. > - no entry for systemd or d-bus. Fixed at revision 10521. > * Preface, 'v. Rationale for Packages in the Book': > - still to be updated for newly added/removed pkgs sin

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
akhiezer wrote: >> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:11:10 -0500 >> From: Bruce Dubbs >> To: LFS Developers Mailinglist >> Subject: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev >> >> I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. >> >> The new versio

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > 2014-04-04 6:11 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : >> I'm sure there are still latent bugs in the current commit, whether they >> be in scripts, build instructions, or text. Please test this out and >> let me know of needed changes. > > set-systemd line 7 > ln -sfvn $(tool}-systemd /sbin/$

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread Bruce Dubbs
xinglp wrote: > Some error messages during boot,sysv > Mounting virtual file systems: /runcp: cannot stat > '/lib/udev/devices/*': No such file or directory Hmm. I didn't see this. The command is: cp -a /lib/udev/devices/* /dev and I do not appear to have the /lib/udev/devices directory at al

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:11:10 -0500 > From: Bruce Dubbs > To: LFS Developers Mailinglist > Subject: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev > > I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. > > The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-04 6:11 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > I'm sure there are still latent bugs in the current commit, whether they > be in scripts, build instructions, or text. Please test this out and > let me know of needed changes. set-systemd line 7 ln -sfvn $(tool}-systemd /sbin/${tool} should be ln -sfv

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-04 Thread xinglp
2014-04-04 6:11 GMT+08:00 Bruce Dubbs : > I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. > > The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with the > ability to reconfigure and come up in the other system. > > The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are named >

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > As to the size in the foreword - I think you are probably correct. Perhaps you mean the Preface. The first place I see size mentioned is in the target architectures. My, things gave grown since LFS 6.5. The size for 7.5 (64-bit) is 1.5G. We have increased the minimum

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, > > OK so LFS doesn't use anymore sysvinit, but Systemd. Incorrect. You have a choice. We install both and you can test them out and choose the one you like best. I thought the book > 9ould use an approach like the CLFS one: one chapter if you use Systemd;

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 05:11:10PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. >> >> The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with the >> ability to reconfigure and come up in the other system. >> > > I'm sorry to se

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 02:46:13AM +0200, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, > > OK so LFS doesn't use anymore sysvinit, but Systemd. I thought the book > 9ould use an approach like the CLFS one: one chapter if you use Systemd; > one if sysvinit (in CLFS: if you chroot; if you reboot). Given tha

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Hi, OK so LFS doesn't use anymore sysvinit, but Systemd. I thought the book 9ould use an approach like the CLFS one: one chapter if you use Systemd; one if sysvinit (in CLFS: if you chroot; if you reboot). Given that the choice is at runtime or config time, and not at install time, I think the

Re: [lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 05:11:10PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. > > The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with the > ability to reconfigure and come up in the other system. > I'm sorry to see eudev disappear from the

[lfs-dev] Major changes in -dev

2014-04-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I've committed a major change to the -dev version of LFS. The new version installs systemd and System V side-by-side with the ability to reconfigure and come up in the other system. The scripts to reconfigure are in /usr/local/sbin and are named set-systemd and set-sysv. I recommend re-reading