On Nov 5, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
I don't understand this at all. Later we mount the various
partitions. Is that what you're referring to?
Alan
Let's get this thread back on topic,
It's clear that you need to learn more about partitioning and creating
filesystems wit
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>>> So what would you suggest for a machine that would ultimately be home
>> to several distros, LFS and Windows, using GPT? Perhaps something like
>> this (following the names from my own GPT installation)?
>>> . . .
>>
>> I'd change /usr to /home,
>
> Is t
Bruce wrote:
> > Can you suggest any technical resources where I might learn the gory
> details of this?
>
> Read the source: Look in GRUB ./grub-core/boot/i386/pc/boot.S
Ok.
> Every directory is written in the inode structure of it's parent. This
> is implemented using hard links. To learn
Perhaps this small example will clarify. /dev/sdc1 is my camera's sd
card which I inserted in a usb slot, and I am in my home directory:
[0 ~]$ mkdir duck
[0 ~]$ echo "Hello World" >duck/test.txt
[0 ~]$ ls duck
test.txt
[0 ~]$ sudo mount /dev/sdc1 duck
[0 ~]$ ls duck
dcim/ misc/
[0 ~]$ sudo umoun
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Van: Bruce Dubbs
Verzonden: wo 07-11-2012 00:25
Onderwerp: Re: [lfs-support] What Is "The" LFS Partition?
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Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 03:43:57PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>>
>> I'd change /u
Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 03:43:57PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>>
>> I'd change /usr to /home, otherwise it's OK.
>
> I'm _dubious_ about separating /opt : I tried that when I first set
> aside an old machine for LFS, but it seems to me that almost
> everything built in /opt wil
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 11:00:49PM +, Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 03:43:57PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> >
> > I'd change /usr to /home, otherwise it's OK.
>
> I'm _dubious_ about separating /opt : I tried that when I first set
> aside an old machine for LFS, but it seems to
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 03:43:57PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>
> I'd change /usr to /home, otherwise it's OK.
I'm _dubious_ about separating /opt : I tried that when I first set
aside an old machine for LFS, but it seems to me that almost
everything built in /opt will link to files in /usr/lib.
Chris Staub wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 03:21 PM, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>
Why does one have to create a directory with that name before
executing the "mount" command?
>>>
>>> The system has to know where to attach the data structures in the file
>>> tree. You could create
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>
From other recent reading I now understand that this whole scheme is
a kludge, and that's why it's not straightforward to understand.
I always wondered why there was a limit of four primary partitions,
and why there was even the notion
> > Specifically, if you want to do "mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/lfs", but you
> have to create the directory "/mnt/lfs" BEFORE you do the mount, then
> where does the inode information about "/mnt/lfs" get written? I'm sure
> I'm missing some details.
> >
> In the beginning, you just have the root filesy
On 11/06/12 21:21, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Ok, so mounting IS a lot more than just a way of looking at things. It's
> doing something *physically*. That clears up a lot.
>
>>> Why does one have to create a directory with that name before
>>> executing the "mount" command?
>> The system has to
On 11/06/2012 03:21 PM, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Why does one have to create a directory with that name before
>>> executing the "mount" command?
>>
>> The system has to know where to attach the data structures in the file
>> tree. You could create a script to do a 'mkdir -p ;
Bruce wrote:
> >> From other recent reading I now understand that this whole scheme is
> >> a kludge, and that's why it's not straightforward to understand.
> >> I always wondered why there was a limit of four primary partitions,
> >> and why there was even the notion of primary partitions, as opp
On 11/06/12 19:59, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Seriously, this is among the most useful articles -- and I do mean
> "article" -- that I've read about this topic. Thank you!
Thank you for the nice words, I just hope it can help you...
>> Suggestion: Stick to MBR for now!
>> When you have learned ho
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
>> For historical reasons, the MBR scheme only allowed four
>> partitions. And (using e.g. fdisk) you can create exactly four
>> PRIMARY partitions. So, if you need four partitions or less, that's
>> fine. But if you need more, one of the four partitions (usually the
>> la
Hi Henrik,
> For your grandmother (-:
I'll be sure to forward your email to her. ;-)
Seriously, this is among the most useful articles -- and I do mean "article" --
that I've read about this topic. Thank you!
> Suggestion: Stick to MBR for now!
> When you have learned how it works, you may try
t; --- Em ter, 6/11/12, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu:
>
> > De: Fernando de Oliveira
> > Assunto: Re: [lfs-support] What Is "The" LFS Partition?
> > Para: "LFS Support List"
> > Data: Terça-feira, 6 de Novembro de 2012, 14:47
> > I have got tw
--- Em ter, 6/11/12, Fernando de Oliveira escreveu:
> De: Fernando de Oliveira
> Assunto: Re: [lfs-support] What Is "The" LFS Partition?
> Para: "LFS Support List"
> Data: Terça-feira, 6 de Novembro de 2012, 14:47
> I have got two ssd's burned, one,
Henrik /KaarPoSoft wrote:
> My suggestion - and really not more than just a suggestion trying to be
> helpful:
>
> Do *not* try to play around with LVM before you understand the basics!
>
> FIRST:
> Partition the disk with fdisk (or use GPT if you so prefer), and set
> aside ONE partition for all
I have got two ssd's burned, one, when tried to resize partitions.
[]s,
Fernando
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On 11/06/12 16:35, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>
>>> sda2 is not really a partition. It contains the extended partitions.
>>> In your case, sda5 and sda6.
>> Actually an extended partition is a partition, but it has sub-
>> partitions. All this stuff is avoided with a GUID Partition Ta
On 11/06/2012 12:29 PM, Henrik /KaarPoSoft wrote:
> On 11/05/12 17:12, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>> For an SSD drive, I suggest getting gptdisk (fdisk syntax) or gparted
>> (challenging syntax) and partitioning the drive as a gpt drive.
> I have been building on an old 32bit box with rotating disks.
> I a
On 11/05/12 17:12, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> For an SSD drive, I suggest getting gptdisk (fdisk syntax) or gparted
> (challenging syntax) and partitioning the drive as a gpt drive.
I have been building on an old 32bit box with rotating disks.
I am considering buying a new 64bit box with SSD.
So I wo
On 11/05/12 14:24, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I've done a major reset by giving up on installing an LFS system on my
> old 32-bit computer, and am now installing it on a new 64-bit system.
> The new system now has Fedora as the host system. It's installed on
> /dev/sdb and I want to put L
Simon Geard wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 16:31 +, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> For an SSD drive, I suggest getting gptdisk (fdisk syntax) or gparted
>>> (challenging syntax) and partitioning the drive as a gpt drive. The
>>> first partition should be at sector 2048 or 1 MB
Bruce wrote:
> > sda2 is not really a partition. It contains the extended partitions.
> > In your case, sda5 and sda6.
>
> Actually an extended partition is a partition, but it has sub-
> partitions. All this stuff is avoided with a GUID Partition Table
> (GPT) which is a lot more sane in the wo
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 22:11 +, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Ok. So is swap not considered a filesystem by convention, or for some other
> reason?
As the name suggests, the most important attribute of a filesystem is
files. Whereas swap is a trick for using disk storage as if it were
extra (albe
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 16:31 +, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>
> > For an SSD drive, I suggest getting gptdisk (fdisk syntax) or gparted
> > (challenging syntax) and partitioning the drive as a gpt drive. The
> > first partition should be at sector 2048 or 1 MB. Make /boot 1 M, swa
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 20:32 +, dennisjperk...@comcast.net wrote:
> Partitions and filesystems are not identical on Linux/Unix systems.
> You carve a drive up into partitions, and you are free to format each
> partition with whatever filesystem you want. Every other operating
> system I am awar
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 10:11:15PM +, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Philippe Delavalade wrote:
>
> >
> > sda is too big ; you are obliged to make a partition on it.
>
> Too big? The drive I'm going to use here is a new 3TB one I bought on sale a
> few days ago. The SSD I was using until now is
12 1:49:20 PM
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] What Is "The" LFS Partition?
dennisjperk...@comcast.net wrote:
> Partitions and filesystems are not identical on Linux/Unix systems.
> You carve a drive up into partitions, and you are free to format each
> partition with whatever filesys
Philippe Delavalade wrote:
> > Set up the partitions like this, using an ext4 filesystem:
> >
> > /dev/sda1 /boot 100M
> > /dev/sda2 Extended Linux partition ~100G
> > /dev/sda5 Linux swap 2G
> > /dev/sda6 / ~98G
> This see
Le lundi 05 novembre à 21:11, Feuerbacher, Alan a écrit :
> Thank you all very much for your advice!
>
> Here's what I propose to do now, given your inputs:
>
> Don't put LFS on the SSD -- use a regular hard drive.
>
> Set up the partitions like this, using an ext4 filesystem:
>
> /dev/sda1
dennisjperk...@comcast.net wrote:
> Partitions and filesystems are not identical on Linux/Unix systems.
> You carve a drive up into partitions, and you are free to format each
> partition with whatever filesystem you want. Every other operating
> system I am aware of does not make this distinction.
dennisjperk...@comcast.net wrote:
> ...
> sda refers to the drive, not to the partitions that you have on the drive.
> You can make a partition the same size as the drive, but it is the partition
> that contains the filesystem, not the drive.
Thank you! That clears up a lot.
Alan
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From: "Alan Feuerbacher"
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Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 1:11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [lfs-support] What Is "The" LFS Partition?
Thank you all very much for your advice!
Here's what I propose to do now, given your inputs:
Thank you all very much for your advice!
Here's what I propose to do now, given your inputs:
Don't put LFS on the SSD -- use a regular hard drive.
Set up the partitions like this, using an ext4 filesystem:
/dev/sda1 /boot 100M
/dev/sda2 Extended Linux partition ~1
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 04:47:48PM +, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
>
> Why would I NOT use mke2fs immediately to make filesystems on sda1, sda2 and
> sda5? I want to know enough to really understand what is going on
> sufficiently that I could teach it to my grandmother. :-)
If you are using ex
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> Philippe Delavalade wrote:
>
>>> I read the man page for mke2fs and it's as clear as mud. And the
>>> LFS book is completely unclear about exactly what is going on.
>>
>> The book suppose that you have some knowledge about linux and
>> partitions :-)
>
> Well I do have *s
I might suggest trying gentoo linux or at least look at the installation
instructions. Using mke2fs does not remove your partitions it formats them
to the desired file system and as for using a ssd drive up it might be
better to use a standard drive for now until you can setup an environment
that a
Le lundi 05 novembre à 17:47, Feuerbacher, Alan a écrit :
> Philippe Delavalade wrote:
>
> > > I read the man page for mke2fs and it's as clear as mud. And the LFS
> > > book is completely unclear about exactly what is going on.
> >
> > The book suppose that you have some knowledge about linux an
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 08:24:32AM -0500, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I've done a major reset by giving up on installing an LFS system on my
> old 32-bit computer, and am now installing it on a new 64-bit system.
> The new system now has Fedora as the host system. It's installed on
> /
Bruce wrote:
> > One of the problems with learning the nuts and bolts of Linux is, as
> > Richard Stallman wrote back in the 1990s, that the documentation is
> > sparse at best.
>
> That's not true today.
Ok, then, in addition to beating myself up with LFS, can you suggest any
reading material
Philippe Delavalade wrote:
> > I read the man page for mke2fs and it's as clear as mud. And the LFS
> > book is completely unclear about exactly what is going on.
>
> The book suppose that you have some knowledge about linux and
> partitions
> :-)
Well I do have *some* knowledge. It's just a mat
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> One of the problems with learning the nuts and bolts of Linux is, as
> Richard Stallman wrote back in the 1990s, that the documentation is
> sparse at best.
That's not true today.
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Bruce wrote:
> For an SSD drive, I suggest getting gptdisk (fdisk syntax) or gparted
> (challenging syntax) and partitioning the drive as a gpt drive. The
> first partition should be at sector 2048 or 1 MB. Make /boot 1 M, swap
> 2G, / 20G, and /home as desired. I like to leave some space. I a
Bruce wrote:
> > But I still don't understand what I'm doing.
>
> I get the feeling that you are not ready for LFS. Use a standard
> distro for a while.
Perhaps you don't know how persistent I am. :-)
Seriously, I've used Unix and Linux as a plain user for 33 years. Now I want to
learn the nu
Le lundi 05 novembre à 17:04, Feuerbacher, Alan a écrit :
> Thank you!
>
> But I still don't understand what I'm doing. How do I know which of the
> various devices (/dev/sdaN) is supposed to be used with mke2fs?
>
> I read the man page for mke2fs and it's as clear as mud. And the LFS book
> is
Feuerbacher, Alan wrote:
> But I still don't understand what I'm doing.
I get the feeling that you are not ready for LFS. Use a standard distro
for a while.
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596007607.do
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Philippe Delavalade wrote:
> Le lundi 05 novembre à 14:24, Alan Feuerbacher a écrit :
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I've done a major reset by giving up on installing an LFS system on my
>> old 32-bit computer, and am now installing it on a new 64-bit system.
>> The new system now has Fedora as the host system.
Philippe Delavalade wrote:
> > When I go to section 2.3 to create a file system "on the partition",
> > the book says:
> >
> >
> > To create an ext3 file system on the LFS partition, run the
> following:
> >
> > mke2fs -jv /dev/
> >
> > Replace with the name of the LFS partition
Le lundi 05 novembre à 14:24, Alan Feuerbacher a écrit :
> Howdy,
>
> I've done a major reset by giving up on installing an LFS system on my
> old 32-bit computer, and am now installing it on a new 64-bit system.
> The new system now has Fedora as the host system. It's installed on
> /dev/sdb a
Howdy,
I've done a major reset by giving up on installing an LFS system on my
old 32-bit computer, and am now installing it on a new 64-bit system.
The new system now has Fedora as the host system. It's installed on
/dev/sdb and I want to put LFS on a blank 256G SSD -- /dev/sda.
In trying to f
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